Settlement excites local mercury activists

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The family of 9-year-old Hannah Poling of Georgia announced Thursday that they’d won a settlement from a federal fund that compensates people injured by vaccines. The news has thrilled local activists who have been fighting for a government admission that there are potential problems with vaccines.

“It’s going to set a precedent for how the other 7,000 claims in ‘vaccine court’ are settled,” says Amy Carson, president and co-founder of Moms Against Mercury. “My son, Kit, has had a claim in for eight years. Finally, we have an admission from the government that there might be a problem with our vaccines.”

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services conceded the case before it could reach court, and the settlement amount has not been announced. The special “vaccine court,” overseen by the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, rules on requests for payments from the vaccine-injury fund.

The Polings say their daughter, Hannah, went from being a bright, responsive child to exhibiting odd behaviors after a series of vaccination shots. Hannah has been diagnosed with autism. Government officials say the vaccines did not cause Hannah’s disorder, but exacerbated an underlying disorder that led to the autistic symptoms.

Many in the medical community are concerned that a decrease in immunizations will cause a corresponding rise in preventable childhood illnesses. Buncombe County has seen a rise in cases of pertussis (also known as whooping cough) over the past several years.

“To continue to protect America’s children and adults, we must obtain maximum immunization coverage in all populations, conduct reliable scientific research, and ensure vaccine safety,” says local infectious-disease specialist Dr. James Whitehouse. “A single case of disease will remain a single case if everyone around the infected person is vaccinated. If we are not vaccinated, a single case can turn into an epidemic.”

Like Hannah, Carson’s son’s behavior and development changed significantly after he received a series of vaccinations as a toddler. When 11-year-old Kit was 3, he was diagnosed with toxic mercury levels. According to studies, symptoms of mercury poisoning can mimic the symptoms of autism.

Thimerosol, which contains mercury, was used as a preservative in childhood vaccines until 2001. It was discontinued because of its possible association with autism-like disorders, although it’s still used in some flu vaccines. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently recommended that all children aged 6 months to 18 receive an annual flu vaccine.

“There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines. Large and reliable studies have discredited any theories suggesting vaccination might be associated with autism or other developmental disorders,” Whitehouse says.

Some parents disagree, however.

“If the doctor had told me the day Kit was born that he’d be injecting my 5-pound baby with a significant neurotoxin, I would have done things very differently,” Carson said.

Carson believes that a genetic difference accounts for why some children react to the vaccinations while other children suffer no adverse effects.

“There’s a huge population of people who don’t excrete metals well. You see it in Alzheimer and heart-disease patients as well. When my son had a hair test, there was no mercury there. But his blood tests showed toxic levels of the metal. So, unlike other kids, he doesn’t excrete mercury through his hair and skin,” Carson says.

Carson says the Poling case indicates to her that the government needs to listen to parents and consider testing for people who might have this predisposition.

“Vaccines as a defense from disease aren’t bad in themselves, they just can be made safer. Any parent, if given the choice of safer vaccines, is going to take that option,” Carson says.

Anne Fitten Glenn is an Asheville-based writer and photographer. The Associated Press contributed to this story. Read more about childhood vaccinations in Mountain Xpress’ Kids’ Guide, on the racks on March 26.

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35 thoughts on “Settlement excites local mercury activists

  1. DonM

    For a more balanced account of Hannah Poling’s case, see the referenced news article. Even the Poling’s (one a doctor, the other a lawyer) don’t contend that mercury was the culprit here. They do believe that somehow it was vaccine-related.

    “…Hannah has a disorder involving her mitochondria, the energy factories of cells. The disorder — which can be present at birth or acquired later in life — impairs cells’ ability to use nutrients. It often causes problems in brain functioning and can lead to delays in walking and talking.

    The Polings were exploring two theories to explain what happened to Hannah. One is that she was born with the mitochondria disorder and the vaccines caused a stress to her body that worsened the condition. The other is that the vaccine ingredient thimerosal caused the mitochondrial dysfunction, Jon Poling said…”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519029/

  2. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Thimersol IE MERCURY, is in all vaccines., unless you ask for a vaccine that doesn’t have it, which is of course more expensive. They of course never give you that choice. Mercury is a by product of making the vaccine and a stabilizing compound, in short its more cost effective to use it, than offer a more expensive vaccine without it.

    So what there has been a 300% increase in Autism in the last 12 years, Hey, this is corporate America, who cares if we brain damage our children and reduce IQs. All we care about here in the land of corporations is the bottom line, profits, people are expendable.
    Just like Fluoride, which the Germans used in WW11.to, give chemical frontal lobe lobotomies to POWS, in order to make them docile. The good Old U.S. is one the few nations still using fluoride as most countries especially Europe have banned it. The use of fluoride like mercury in vaccines here in the U.S. would account for a lot of the dumbing down of the population we are now seeing

  3. DonM,
    Supposedly, mercury is no longer an ingredient in vaccinations, except for multi-dose flu shots. However, Thimerosol is mercury, and it was used as a preservative in childhood vaccinations until 2001, as I mention here.

    This is from the AP article I reference:
    “They [the Polings] called on the government to remove thimerosal _ a mercury-based vaccine preservative _ from all flu shots. Thimerosal has already been removed from other vaccinations given to children.

    ‘Why take a chance?’ asked Jon Poling, a 37-year-old neurologist.”

  4. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Edgy Mama trust me, its still in there, flu vaccines have it also, incidentally one of the compounds in vaccines is anti freeze.
    Hey isn’t the petrol chemical industry great! Aspartame is another wonderful ingredient U.S.citizens consume. Aspartame was created as an insect killer. Neocon God Lord Rumsfeld was instrumental in getting the F.D.A.to approve it. The same Donald Rumsfeld who is responsible for the misery tamaflu is now causing.
    Its very difficult to explain to these Red necks who drink Mountain Dew that they are putting into their system copious amounts of the neurotoxin aspartame, well at least it will kill any insects they might have, along with their brain cells
    The fact of the matter is, between all the drugs and chemicals in the food supply its no wonder that the average sperm count of men has decreased almost 1% a year over the last 80 years.Which explains why we have all these goverment loving, tax paying whimps around who say “you cant fight city hall and we just all need to shut and pay OUR taxs” no more men are left Women have got more moxy than most men these days
    We live in a F.D.A. approved cesspool.

  5. DonM

    Edgy Mama,
    There is no relationship causal relationship between thimerosal and autism. Never has it been linked in any study. Yes, there have been some.

    In just one instance “…In 2004, the IOM’s Immunization Safety Review Committee issued its final report, examining the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the MMR vaccines and thimerosal containing vaccines, are causally associated with autism. In this report, the committee incorporated new epidemiological evidence from the U.S., Denmark, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, and studies of biologic mechanisms related to vaccines and autism since its report in 2001. The committee concluded that this body of evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, and that hypotheses generated to date concerning a biological mechanism for such causality are theoretical only. Further, the committee stated that the benefits of vaccination are proven and the hypothesis of susceptible populations is presently speculative, and that widespread rejection of vaccines would lead to increases in incidences of serious infectious diseases like measles, whooping cough and Hib bacterial meningitis…”

    http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

    As well, if you look into the history of autism you will find that it is not a new phenomenon. Calling it autism is rather contemporary but throughout history people have demonstrated what we call autism today in relatively the same numbers. Those autistics of days yore who were savants ended up in side-shows performing astounding feats of memeory, etc. Those autistics who were ultra aloof, self-destructive at times (head bangers, etc) were institutionalized. The word autism isn’t quite 100 years old yet.

    My earlier point was that the Polings themselves weren’t convinced that mercury (thimerosal) was the cause of Hannah’s problems. They just focused on the vaccination protocol that Hannah received.

    Are you on the anti-mercury hyperbole bandwagon? The article appeared to me, to be written with an agenda–an opinion piece rather than a news piece. That’s my main beef.

  6. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    DonM your contentions are rubbish, check this link out http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Increase_in_cases_of_autism

    Now if you can concentrate long enough to read this link that’s shows possible PCB connections. http://merzenich.positscience.com/2007/04/26/what-underlies-the-documented-increase-in-autism-incidence-results-of-a-new-study/

    If you think that placing live attenuated pathogens, in a chemical cocktail with unknown synergistic effects that includes probably one of the most toxic substances on the planet, mercury, then inject that into your Childs body, then you’re out of your mind.Did you not see the video links I provided

    The proof of the pudding is, I know many doctors and none of them have had their own children vaccinated.
    Several years ago, a 100k reward was offered to any doctor that would take the vaccine rounds, the prize money has gone unclaimed, To claim there is no definitive evidence is patently false.
    By the way Don why don’t you get injected and claim the prize, have round of mountain dew and some fluoride while your at it, and chase it with some tammaflu. To say there has been no increase is also incorrect

  7. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    P.S The evidence you gave was from the F.D.A.thats like believeing the wolf that guards the hen house

  8. DonM,
    I’m not at all on the anti-vaccine bandwagon. My kids are both vaccinated–one was given the shots before the thimerosal was removed. They both have received several flu shots in recent years. Neither, as far as I can tell, has suffered ill effects.

    That said, I do think that there’s a reason thimerosol was removed from vaccines. The FDA itself admits that before the thimerosal was removed, there had not been extensive studies into its possible side effects. As Dr. Whitehouse notes in my article, there was a possible association, and that’s why the thimerosol was removed. If that’s the case, why is it still in some multi-dose flu shots?

    In the final print article (out on March 26), there will be an long q&a;with Dr. Whitehouse about the importance and efficacy of vaccinations.

    That said, I do agree with Amy Carson when she says that vaccines should be made as safe as possible. I am pro-vaccines. And I believe that, regardless of cost to the government, what we are required to inject into our kids’ veins should be safe for them, all of them, regardless of whether or not they have an underlying condition that could be exercerbated by vaccination.

  9. Squiggle McPherson

    Dr. Anti,

    Your posting links from wikinfo as your fact as well as another article that had no reference links to it. Where are the links to your 100K award tidbit as well as your suggestion that it’s still in the vaccines. yourI know plenty of doctors who strongly believe in vaccines, so what kind of doctors do you visit? Your smugness as well as your lack of substantial info makes you look like you have some issues you want to work through besides the truth.

  10. P.S. I reiterate this quote from the article: “There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines. Large and reliable studies have discredited any theories suggesting vaccination might be associated with autism or other developmental disorders,” Whitehouse says.

    Basically, exactly what you pulled from the FDA, DonM. Then I quote someone who disagrees. As far as I can tell from my extensive research, this is an extremely complicated issue. My primary hope is that the Poling case promotes further research and questioning. I’ll be watching closely–both sides of the story.

  11. DonM

    Edgy Mama,
    First of all, I referred an anti-mercury bandwagon, not an anti-vaccine bandwagon. Also, Whitehouse does NOT say “…there was a possible association, and that’s why the thimerosol (sic) was removed…” unless your article was redacted by MountainX and you’re not reading this version.

    Your article reads 95 percent anti-mercury with only one paragraph about the fact that we really don’t know with any degree of certainty, one way or the other.

    You are are 100 percent correct that it is complicated. As I previously posted about a bit of history of autism, any attempt to draw conclusions about comtemporary incidents of autism and any causal relationship to thimerosal is pure speculation.

    If we lived our lives and made our decisions in such a manner we’d never leave the house. Of course, that can kill you, too!

    Bottom line is that I don’t like to see, in my opinion, hatchet-jobs based on speculation. I have no horse in this race and no ox to gore. I just enjoy reasoned, well-balanced arguments and I don’t believe your article is one of those.

    My opinion.

  12. DonM

    Edgy Mama,
    I forgot to include this link to a recent study about thimerosal, autism and vaccines. You may already be aware of this. If not, I know you will want to study this.

    “…The study will be published in the February issue of the journal Pediatrics. The medical journal released the findings early because of a controversy surrounding a new TV series premiering Thursday, which features a lawyer who argues in court that a flu vaccine made a child autistic…”

    I believe the Poling’s may be the referenced case.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22921581/

  13. You’re right, DonM. Whitehouse doesn’t say in this article that there’s a possible association between thimerosal and autism. He does say that in his q&a;, which you can read on March 26.

    Of course, I’m against putting mercury into kids’ veins. It’s a neurotoxin.

    I appreciate your comments.

  14. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    I suppose neither of you clicked the link I provided about the history of vaccines. This blind obstinance in the face of all logic and common sense in indicative of what the Bible calls, “the great delusion” which is a phenomena that occurs towards the tertiary stages of civilization.

    Anyone dumb enough to post government studies and reports on these matters and who expects those reports to reflect the truth is beyond blind and ignorant.
    The government knowingly exposed thousand’s of U.S.ciitzens to radiation during the 50s and 60s simply to see what the long term affects were , then there is the infamous Tuskegee experiment, in which the government exposed thousand of blacks to syphilis, so many more examples of these horror stories abound, including the government version of 911 .

    The dye has been cast, there are two types of people, divided into two separate camps, their minds have been sealed. One group are those who wish to maintain the illusion that all is well and the government would never do anything to harm its citizenry. They are willing to suspend the laws of logic and science to maintain a very haughtily pseudo conservative belief, that those who dare point out the true nature of material facts, such as the F.D.A. being apart of a global organization, dedicated to eugenics and a massive reduction of the worlds population by 2030, are all crazy and should be ignored and silenced. You know, the FOX News mentality, kill the messenger

    All the evidence is there, if you have eyes and ears to hear. I would suggest you download Alex Jones “End Game’ which is posted on you tube and watch it. End Game contains 3 hours of evidence on this subject, enough to convict these criminals .

    This haughty, “all is well faction” of those who operate under the strong delusion, ignore the spiritual component of the hearts of men, they do so, as a way to reduce the world, to what they can feel, touch, taste, see and hear. These idiots then compile a egocentric belief system, with a corporate conservative mentality, which tells them, that those who point out things like the danger of Vaccines and generically modified foods are simply delusional fringe element extremist’s, who are thwarting the progress of humanity and who deal in irrational fear.

    These Morons and I use that term correctly, forget about diabolical governmental tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin, and Margaret Sanger etc. They then insulate themselves in more delusion saying “Oh that could never happen here in America, why my government would never hurt me”. Such people like these serve their master and are recalcitrant, and unswerving in their belief system, they are convinced they operate from logic, when in fact they operate from ignorance, pride, and a lack of knowledge. Most of them proudly call themselves Doctors, Lawyers, Republicans and Chrisitians etc when they are little more than fools trapped in an institutionalized belief system, the same kind of political institutionalized belief system of the Middle ages, which said the universe revolved around the Earth and that the Earth was flat. The danger in these little minds, is that in order to maintain their false pyridine and world of illusion, (which are the flawed limits of their own comfort zones) they will actually oppress and literally kill others, to perpetuate the temple to their God of the Status Quo. Galileo would be a prime example and a victim of their oppression

    Those that ignore the evidence on vaccines have already on many more levels, shown those, with eyes and ears to hear the truth, who and what they are. They will do anything their godverment tells them, including turning others in, sacrificing their own children on the alter in the temple of the government; they will readily comply with mandatory vaccines and bio implantable chips, like sheep at the slaughter

    When their God the godernment, is suddenly silenced and they no longer hear its auditory hallucinations in their minds, dictating to them what is reality and what isn’t, they will then perish from the Earth under the weight of their own self imposed delusions. They are like a dog, licking the hand of it’s master, they worship the Beast

  15. Rio

    If it’s not vaccines contributing to the astronomical increase of autistic children (and I have a nephew who is autistic, as well as a husband who teaches special education – a field that doesn’t have anywhere near enough teachers) – then there is something else seriously wrong that is leading to this increase (and it’s not just diagnosis). We need to figure out what it is.

    btw – both my children (ages 14 and 10) are vaccinated.

  16. AshaKasha

    What about ADHD? I wonder if there is a possible link there? While not as profound as autism, ADHD is definitely an epidemic in this country- I don’t know the statistics, but I imagine the US has considerably more kids with ADHD than other countries.

    For some time now, I have thought that the increase in autism and autism spectrum disorders (which are now more prevalent)could be linked to more and more mothers not breast-feeding (which is the first and most effective way to provide custom made immunity for your child).

    I agree, Dr. A, anyone who thinks for a single second that our government or the corporations (what I call Governcorp) care about us at all- or that they are truthful to us is extraordinarily naive.

  17. Squiggly McPherson

    Dr. Anti,

    You know, I think you’re right. You make absolute perfect sense. Here I was licking the hindquarters of the Beast, mindlessly worshipping my Godernment when I read you’re brilliantly crafted response to childhood vaccinations. It all makes sense now! Thank you. You are a credit to the anti- vaccination/government/bio-implant crowd and I think you should speak out louder and more often because only you will be able to awaken the sleeping masses. I’m sure anyone who listens to you will be enlightened and not turned off in any way. Spread the word. March on brother!

  18. DonM

    My sympathies to anyone affected with any of the autism spectrum dosorders. But, as many studies bear out, they increase in their occurrence is more likely a result of better diagnosis and attention given.

    “…It’s important to note that today’s figures apply to the whole category of ASDs, which includes autism as well as related conditions like Asperger Syndrome and Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. Children with these disorders have varying degrees of impaired communication and social interaction.

    Diagnostic criteria changed dramatically in 1987, broadening the number of people who could be considered to have ASDs. In decades earlier, only those with severe autistic characteristics would be diagnosed with autism; others might have been categorized as mentally retarded, for example. So making comparisons across decades is difficult.

    “The frequency of the diagnosis has clearly increased but that doesn’t tell you beans,” emphasizes Dr. William Barbaresi, a pediatrician at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn

    To get a better picture of autism and its potential causes, Barbaresi and colleagues examined new cases of autism in Olmsted County, Minn., from 1976 to 1997.

    Using data on every child living in the county during those years, the researchers used modern diagnostic criteria to conclude that the incidence of autism specifically rose dramatically, from 5.5 cases per 100,000 children from 1980 to 1983, to 44.9 cases from 1995 to 1997.

    A sharp increase started between 1988 and 1991, a period during which broader diagnostic criteria for autism were newly in use and increased awareness of the disorder occurred, Barbaresi says.

    The findings of the study, published in the January issue of the Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, appear to rule out suspects like vaccinations as a cause for the increase, according to Barbaresi.

    Other studies also have failed to link vaccinations to autism, prompting the Institute of Medicine, an independent group that advises the federal government, to conclude there is no connection…”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6947652

    Further, “…”We documented that the number of children [in the United Kingdom] diagnosed with `behaviour’ and `developmental’ disorders, but not autism, tended to decrease by about 20% per year from 1992 to 2000. By contrast, the diagnosis of autism increased by 20% per year during this time period,” said Hershel Jick, lead author of the study and associate professor of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine.

    “These data point to the conclusion that the increased incidence of diagnosed autism is primarily a reflection of changes in diagnostic practices, such as improved identification, availability of services, and other similar factors,” conclude the authors.”

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/328/7436/364-b

    The point is that no conclusions can be drawn re: vaccinations in general and thimerosal in particular.

    Parents are anxious to pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. Was it something I did? Was it something that someone or something else did? Everyone wants to be assured that they are in no way responsible for any misfortune that befalls them. Quite understandable.

    But we just don’t know and to assign cause falsely is as wrong as if it were the true cause–which would indeed be wrong.

  19. AshaKasha

    I’m a certified grant writer/manager- and had a full time position writing grants for the PTI (Parent Training and Information center for parents of children with disabilities) of another state- it would amaze you to know how “facts” and “conclusions” can be easily distorted to promote the agenda of the organization. Also, when an organization receives federal or state money, any conclusions they might draw and represent, are basically censored by the funding agency first. Also, the grantor is very specific about how that money is to be used.

    Basically, I don’t feel I can trust any group (doctors and scientists very much included here) that receives research funding or other funding from the government or corporations. Simple first hand experience and “gut feeling” are really the only thing it seems we can trust anymore. :0)

  20. Squiggly McPherson

    You know George Bush had a “gut feeling” that he’d find weopons of mass destruction in Iraq. I have a gut feeling that I’m going to win the lottery. Who needs pesky facts and conclusions when you have a gut feeling. Because the last time I check you can verify how research is done and weigh it’s conclusions against others, how is that done with your gut. Do you have a non-gut control group.

  21. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    I placed two very good links on the board. This link is comprehensive http://www.vaccinetruth.org/excellent_vaccine_articles.htm
    This one has video, for those who cannot read well because if exposure to chemicals. http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines/index.html#mercury

    All one needs to do is understand the known Neurological effects of Mercury.
    The signs and symptoms of Mercury poisoning, exactly correspond to what we are now seeing in Autism.
    There are many more possible synergistic stabling compounds contained in the vaccines, which can interact with even the low levels of Mercury.

    Those who refuse to see the correlation between Mercury laden vaccines and autism, are analogous to those who wallow in Poison Ivy and then wonder why they contract symptoms.
    In short, Pigs have more sense than people, Pigs wont eat genetically modified foods, Humans, however, are more than happy to ingest petro chemicals, mercury, fluoride, ammonia nitrate, soy.pestisides and PCB”S and then they wonder why they contract cancer and a plethora of medical abnormalities and conditions associated with exposure to poison’s. Instead, they believe lying government agencies that publish tainted studies and who are in league with huge multinational corporations, whose bottom line is profit, at the expense of the consumers who lap up man made aberrational products like pig’s in a slop trough
    Pigs in short have more common sense than do people.

  22. DonM

    I haven’t been amazed in a long time! Elements of each side of any issue have always been guilty of promoting agendae that ranges from simple omission, through distortion and all the way to outright lies!

    That’s precisely why I initially posted here. I detected an agenda disguised as news.

    Off topic, but this is abundantly apparent by the actions of the IPCC and scientific funding for their agenda, too. We can discuss that another day soon, I would wager!

  23. AshaKasha

    I went to a holistic dentist in my home state and was told that the fillings in my teeth had mercury in them and that they are notorious for leaking. In order to have those fillings removed, and replaced with “bio-compatible” material, I would need an IV during the procedure that had a substance that attaches to mercury and carries it out of the blood. Then, I was told by another dentist, here in Asheville that there is no such thing as a bio-compatible material for fillings- that they all leak formaldehyde (sp?)- and other toxic things. Can’t get a straight freakin’ answer from anyone these days- You know, when I saw I AM LEGEND, I didn’t consider it such a far-fetched concept… we’ll all be mutants someday, I bet ;0)

  24. AshaKasha

    You don’t need to convince me, Dr. A- I don’t doubt that vaccinations are connected to autism and other neuro/psycho. disorders that are becoming more and more prevalent among our children in the US. While psychiatric disorders have been around forever, ADHD hasn’t…and has been on an incredible rise in the past 10-15 years…AND- has been linked to vaccinations.

    “According to [neurologist Dr. Fred] Baughman, 500,000 children [in the USA] were diagnosed ADHD in 1985 and between 5 and 7 million were today.

    Substantial growth has also been reported in Australia, a country of just 19 million people, where it’s estimated that at least 50,000 children are now on drugs prescribed for ADHD.”

    ”University of Queensland figures show that legal use of dexamphetamine in Australia has risen from 8.3 million tablets prescribed in 1984 to 38.4 million tablets in 2001. Over the same period Ritalin prescriptions rose from 1.5 million tablets to 19.3 million.”

    What’s going on? Now, every other kid is on drugs for their ADHD-

  25. DonM

    Edgy Mama,
    I shall leave the “brain trust” here to you! Yikes! Good luck.

  26. DonM,
    No thanks. I’ve spent the day fleshing out the article for print–and talking to local experts on the subject. The Google links are fine for background research (sometimes), but my goal is to take a national story and write it from the local point of view.

    Who knew there was so much local pov here?

  27. DonM

    Edgy Mama,
    LOL! I can almost see you winking through the monitor!

  28. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Nice points Ashra Kashra. I was beginning to think I was alone in a Establishment, neocon, vortex, of government cheerleading AND DISINFORMATION. Your points were cogent and also incorporated cognitive thinking, a lost ability in the U.S. fool system, in addition, to another sorely lacking element in this forum, here to forth,…. common sense.

    The level of mentality exhibited in this forum, seems to suggest, that you can inject one of the most toxic substances on earth, into your child’s body and not expect consequences, when he or she becomes brain damaged..Na……….certainly not, there could never be a correlation between I.M.injections of mercury, mixed with a little, wing of bat, or eye of toad and Dropping’s of Owl. THAT COULD NEVER CAUSE MERCURY POSIONING, NO WAY DUDE

    Believing and obeying the governmental vaccine insanity and public policy groupthink, is like a man dying, gasping for air, because he just ingested an inadequately prepared Japanese blowfish. He trusted that the chef, who prepared the potentially lethal fish, was certified. And now, as he struggles for air and thus life, seems incredulous, when he experiences dyspenia and when the lights go out and he as he gets ready for the long dirt sleep, and says…… GEE HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, THE CHEF SAID HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING!!!!! YOU DON’T GET SECOND CHANCES, NOT WITH YOUR CHILDS LIFE!

    I suggest you people Google the 1955 “Cutter “ incident, in which live attenuated polio vaccine, gave numbers of innocent children polio, incidentally, the government admitted to that screw up. So sorry, but we made a mistake…. And,,,,, well… now your child is a cripple , well we are the government and were here to Help you. Help us to what?…..you mean Kill us don’t you?!

    Anyway, enough of that trivial stuff like our children’s bodies, lets talk about the law, or should I say the lack of any law, requiring you to vaccinate your children.
    Now the average moron U.S.citizen, who is constitutionally ignorant, would presuppose, in their lemming hearted mass media haze, that there had to be a law requiring U.S. subjects to be vaccinated, before they could work or go to school.

    Anyone who has even read the constitution, would instantly know, that no law can exist, that could ever give government the authority and compel anyone to become vaccinated.

    The STATE has regulations that require vaccinations, but regulations, are the administrative BY laws of agencies and corporations, and pertain to only such entities, and or, to its officers, residing in such STATE.
    There are 50 million Federal codes, statues and Tiles and statues at large, in none of them, will you find any such law requiring a private man, or his offspring, domiciled, in one of the several states, to be vaccinated, PERIOD! The law is not there, nor could it ever exist, as long as a bare vestige of constitutional life still exists, here on the Federal Plantation. PUBLIC LAW IS NOT REAL LAW ITS ADMINISTRIVE POLICY!!!

    State officials lie, when asked about this so-called law. My way of dealing with these government Bureaucrats/ insects would to say perhaps, FOIA them, give them 20 days to respond under Federal law and then make them, under pains and penalties of perjury, produce such a law and if there wasn’t, or they refused to answer said question, then ARE GULITY OF LYING under US vs. Tweel “silence can only be equated with fraud, when a public official has a duty or obligation to answer. But that would only be me personally; I don’t give legal advice and you should always consult with a BAR card attorney if you have any questions about THE LAW. That way you can be sure to get screwed and lied to real good.

    Incidentally, another imposter at large, who is M.I.A. and who doesn’t seem to exist in any of the 50 million Federal codes or statues at large, is our warm fuzzy friends at the Internal Reeming Service.
    Since people, love funny little green pictures of real money, here is a link to make you rich and think. The Freedom Law School is offering 300k to anyone who can find the Internal Reeming Service mentioned in IRC code Title 26, or its implementation regulation Statues, Title 27, Alcohol, Tobacco and firearms or THE LAW that requires wage earners/private citizens of the several states, to file a 1040 form, which is not Federal at all, as it has no OMB number attached to it.
    If your U.S. citizen you must voluntarily file , under pains and penalties of perjury and sign a non- govememnt 1040 form and testify against yourself. Hey that’s real cool isn’t it!

    Just email the Freedom Law school with THE LAW that requires you to file and you’ll win 300,000 Federal Reserve Notes, which at the rate of this death spiral that the fiat currency system is headed, should by the end of the year at least, buy about 20 gallons of petrol and a one expense paid night at a Bordello on Lexiton Ave in beautiful down town Asheville. BE A SHEEP AND WIN 300K http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/300,000_tax_reward.htm GOOD LUCK YOULL NEED IT, Void where prohited BY law. Oh, gee, I forgot there is no law anymore here in the U.S., or is there???? Well only your tooth fairy knows for sure, here in the Land of Oz

    I am amazed at how dumb people really are, you could put a doctor, dressed in a white coat, to make him look professional, put him on TV, and he could sell Horse manure to U.S. citizens.
    In addition, that’s about what I think of those, that, having taken leave of their senses, subject their children to government vaccines. WOULD YOU PLAY Russian ROULETTE WITH YOUR CHILD”S LIFE????
    COMING NEXT TO A TOWN NEAR YOU,,,, FORCED VACCINES.TURN IN YOUR GUNS AND TAKE THE SHOTS OR YOU WILL GO TO A FEMA CAMP

  29. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    SNEAK PREVIEWS OF UPCOMING ATTRACTIONS, COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU REAL SOON.
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Evensen/greg26.htm
    INCIDENTALY DON’T FORGET TO BRUSH YOU TEETH TONIGHT
    Subject: FLUORIDE
    In spite of all the controversy about fluoride – our (ignorant) dentists keep shoving it into our mouths promising us that it is good for our teeth and gums – but what else is it doing?
    Controversial fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride).
    Sodium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. It’s historically been quite expensive to properly dispose of, until some aluminum industries with an overabundance of the stuff sold the public on the terrifically insane but highly profitable idea of buying it at a 20,000% markup, injecting it into our water supplies, and then DRINKING it.
    Yes, a 20,000% markup: Fluoride– intended only for human consumption by people under 14 years of age–is injected into our drinking water supply at approx. 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink 1/2 of one percent of the total water supply, the rest literally goes down the drain as a free hazardous-waste disposal for the chemical industry, where we PAY them so that we can flush their expensive hazardous waste down our toilets. How many salesmen dream of such a deal? (Follow the money.)
    Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a causative factor in Alzheimer’s Disease, and evidence points towards fluoride’s strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to “trick” the blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing chemical access to brain tissue.
    Scientists who have attempted to blow the whistle on this mega-bucks PR ploy have consistently been given a very unscientific Black-PR treatment, and thus their valid points disputing the current vested interests never arrive in the press.
    Follow the money to find the control.
    In 1952 the slick PR campaign which ram-rodded the concept of fluoridation through via our Public Health departments and various dental organizations was likened to a highly-emotional “beer-salesman’s convention” instead of the objective scientific experiment which it should properly have been. It’s continued in that vein right up to present time.
    To illustrate the emotional vs. the scientific nature of this issue, just look at the response given by people (perhaps yourself included?) when the subject of fluoridation comes up. Ask yourself, “Is this response EMOTIONAL BLUSTER, or is it UNBIASED AND OPENLY- INTERESTED OBJECTIVITY?”
    There is a tremendous amount of emotional, highly unscientific know-it-all attached to fluoridation. Many truly independent (unattached to any vested-interest) scientists who’ve spent a large portion of their lives studying and working with this subject have been subjected to a surprising amount of uncalled-for and unfair character assassination from strong vested-interest groups who profit from the public’s ignorance as well as from their illnesses. (Follow the money.)
    Do you have diabetes or kidney disease? There are reportedly more than 11 million Americans with diabetes. Since many diabetics drink more liquids than other people, then according to the Physicians Desk Reference these 11 million Americans probably shouldn’t drink fluoridated water, because in doing so, they’ll receive an excessive dose of fluoride.
    Kidney disease, by definition, lowers the efficiency of the kidneys, which is your main route of fluoride elimination. –So those people with kidney disease also shouldn’t drink fluoridated water. Cases are on record (Annapolis, Maryland, 1979) where kidney patients on dialysis machines died, due to a fluoride overdose in the city water supply.
    Let’s begin at the beginning: The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany’s Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride’s supposed effect on children’s teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: “The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben” by Joseph Borkin.)
    The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist: “I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. “In the 1930’s, Hitler and the German Nazi’s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. …
    “Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him.” [A convenient light lobotomy]
    “The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children’s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.
    “When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. …
    “I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years’ research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine–any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically.” – CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.
    Quoting Einstein’s nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952. Excerpts follow: “It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the ‘next’ on the agenda of the water poisoners.
    “There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless ‘intellectual’ parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic–from within if they can, according to their plan–for their own possession.
    “The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.
    “Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration. …
    “As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don’t do it.
    “Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. … Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God’s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it.
    “Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting ‘dental health,’ fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a “health” plan? What’s behind it?
    “That any so-called “doctors” would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity.
    “No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin’s Last Will and Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within.” …
    “Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats. …
    “Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity–treason!” Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles. ———————————-
    Earliest available Russian fluoride evidence: “I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member of the Communist Party and the Young Communist League, from May 2, 1936, to October 9, 1939. During this period of time, I operated under the alias of John Keats with number 18-B-2. My testimony before the Government is in Volume 9 of the Un-American Activities Report for 1939.
    “While a member of the Communist Party, I attended Communist training schools in New York and Wisconsin … and we were trained in the revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. Government. “… We discussed quite thoroughly the fluoridation of water supplies and how we were using it in Russia as a tranquilizer in the prison camps. The leaders of our school felt that if it could be induced into the American water supply, it would bring about a spirit of lethargy in the nation, where it could keep the general public docile during a steady encroachment of Communism.
    We also discussed the fact that keeping a store of deadly fluoride near the water reservoir would be advantageous during the time of the revolution, as it would give us opportunity to dump this poison into the water supply and either kill off the populace or threaten them with liquidation, so that they would surrender to obtain fresh water

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