URTV executive committee votes to remove two board members

In a closed session on Monday, Feb. 9, URTV’s executive committee voted to remove board of directors members Richard Bernier and Davyne Dial, who have criticized what they see as a lack of transparency at the public-access channel.

Bernier told Xpress that he found about the removal when he received a letter informing him of the vote and that in 10 days (on Feb. 19), “a special meeting will be held. In executive session, you will be given an opportunity to present your case. After speaking, you will leave the room and the board will vote.”

The letter is signed by Board President Jerry Young and Secretary Ralph Roberts and does not disclose the reasons for Bernier’s dismissal.

Both Bernier and Dial said they hadn’t been notified of the special meeting beforehand. The move comes on the heels of several controversies at the channel, including those over a confidentiality clause in an oath administered to board members (which was later changed), denial of a request to film a meeting and a memo from Young that muzzled board members’ ability to the press about station business.

“We have done nothing more than follow up on a request to film the meeting; since then there’s been all this negativity towards us,” Bernier told Xpress. “All we’ve done so far is try to address some basic transparency issues, because we want URTV to survive. These basic issues should have been resolved years ago.”

Dial, meanwhile, said she was notified of the vote by another board member and hadn’t yet received a letter.

“We need to be beyond these issues to deal with matters of sustainability and outreach — and we’re not,” Dial said. “What this action looks like to me is that it reveals an attitude of disrespect for the laws and rules that have been put into place. It’s like, ‘You have to follow the rules if you’re a member or mere producer, but we don’t have to follow the rules, we’re the people in charge [and] we can make up our own rules up as we go.’ Which is exactly what they’ve done. The rules aren’t for them, they’re for the little people. They think they don’t have to pay attention to what the management agreements with the city and county say.”

Bernier asserts, “I’ve only asked questions and amplified the community’s interest at board meetings, brought some issues to light. What have I done wrong? They’ve yet to advise me of that. I’d like to know what I’ve done wrong.”

URTV bylaws allow board members to be removed by a vote of two-thirds of all board members currently in office.

Under the state’s open-meetings law, which URTV is required to follow by its agreements with both the city of Asheville and Buncombe County, only matters of personnel (paid staff), property acquisition or consultation with legal counsel may be dealt with in closed session. In all those cases, the board must still begin its meeting in open session before voting to hold a closed session and citing the legal justification for such a move. On Feb. 9, at the beginning of the meeting time for the executive session, the doors to URTV’s offices — the announced meeting place — were locked.

Dial has sat on URTV’s board since last July, Bernier since September.

— David Forbes, staff writer


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157 thoughts on “URTV executive committee votes to remove two board members

  1. Oversight

    So they are still meeting in secret session, hardheaded aren’t they? Lack of transparency is exactly the point of the dismissed
    Board Members.

    If they’ll blatantly disobey their own bylaws so cavalierly, what must be going on behind the scenes?

  2. Luv_P_A

    The procedure for holding a special meeting is posted below, at least three board Members were not notified of this meeting in advance as stated in the regulation. This is from URTV bylaws:

    Schedules and notices of Special Board Meetings will be prominently posted at least five (5) days in advance of such meeting at the facilities of the Corporation and notices of Special Board Meetings must be mailed by first-class mail, or distributed via fax or e-mail, to each of the directors at least seven (7) days before such meeting.

  3. This action has been pursued in violation of the URTV bylaws and NC open meetings laws.

    A meeting to vote on the removal of a director must be preceded by a notice of intent 10 days prior to any vote being taken.

    This vote to remove a director was taken in secret, without the presence of the directors in question, and without affording the directors the opportunity to speak before the board.

    Notice 10 days in advance of the secret meeting was not given to the public. If this was a Special Meeting, 5 days notice was required. An unwelcome surprise news story revealing the upcoming meeting does not relieve the board of this requirement.

    The secret meeting did not consist of a two-thirds majority of voting executive members. Board members must have served at least one year on the Board to be eligible to hold executive office.

    The secret meeting was held in violation of Open Meetings Laws regarding closed sessions. Closed sessions must be part of a regular meeting with the announcement and legitimate justification made at that time.

    Removal of a director must be deemed to be in “the best interest of the Corporation.” The specific interest served by these removals has not been shown.

    No amendments altering or repealing any governing articles of the bylaws have been effected by a duly called meeting.

    The minutes of the illegal meeting have joined most of the others — in oblivion.


    URTV Bylaws
    June 2005

    Chapter 143
    Article 33C.
    Meetings of Public Bodies

  4. Don Yelton

    As I have said the county and city will not put up with type of stuff and PUBLIC access will not be public anymore. Now is the time for all people to ask for total transparency and openess is ALL boards in Buncombe County.

    We have the Soil and Water Conservation Board right now wishing one of its members would hush up.

    We saw the Air Pollution Board do the same stuff years ago. Lets not forget the Animal Shelter debacle. That time the County Attorney Keith Snyder helped conduct those private meetings.

    Now is the time for the new County Commissioners to shine brightly the beacon of openess or let the hopes of change burn really dim.

  5. Jeff Fobes

    Tim, the exec-committee vote is only an indication of their desire, not a vote to remove. As you point out, the actual vote to remove must be by the entire board, and with adequate notice.

    It appears that the 10-day notice is being honored by the letter Bernier received.

    However, the board members who are targeted for removal by the exec committee must be allowed to vote on their own dismissal, because they are currently board members.

    Any attempt to keep them from voting on this matter would appear to be against URTV’s bylaws.

    Further, as I understand it, the vote and discussion related to it would seem to be required to take place in an open meeting (not in executive session) because URTV is required to follow NC open meetings law, as a result of their contractual relationship with the city.

  6. Matt Howard

    As A URTV producer, I have said many times that I know theres nothing shady going on behind the scenes, this is a conflict of personalities, and a lack of communication. That said, the management of URTV has dealt with this crisis in a manner that will only serve to make things worse, not make it go away.

  7. P-38

    This effort to rid the board of two members because they advocate complete transparency is very troubling. Just what are the majority of board members trying to hide?

    Is this a grandstand for consolidation of power by the remaining board members?? No dissent, or questioning allowed? For whatever reason, the actions to dismiss these two board members, just looks bad. And I would recommend they reconsider this their deplorable decision.

  8. Elaneon

    Truly disappointing. This intent to remove these board members is deplorable. What is the purpose of a board if not to ask questions, debate, and oversee? That’s why people are required for those positions instead of self-inking rubber stamps.

    URTV gives so much lip service to freedom of speech. How about supporting that through deed?How about some integrity, common sense, and ethics too.

    This action is not in the best interest of URTV, unless to some any controversy equals good publicity. Sounds like the wrong board members may up for ousting too. Who votes how on this will tell that tale for me.

  9. Eloise Brinson

    Man, ya’ll are one screwed up mess over there at URTV. I’m glad I got in and out of there fast enough. No thank you. If I want to get my message across I will buy a digital recorder and go on MySpace or Utube. It’s free and probably even more effective.
    This is a classic example of to many chiefs and not enough indians. It’s sort of like when you are riding around town or on the road and you see construction going on. There are 5 men standing around watching this one joe do all the work. If you had anything better to do then criticise one another you might actually get something done. I thought this was a station by the people and for the people but when I was there all you kept doing was holding your hand out for $50.00 and the one time I got a chance to steer the boat you shot poor John to hell because of a technicality and left me with that crazy man with his big brass snake. Man you people need help and I am the one taking the Psychiatric medicine. Good luck and Good riddens!!!!

  10. When you have 2 people stand up in a smooth running boat and start rocking it for their own devious motives the choice is go down with the ship or throw the problem overboard to seek their thrills elsewhere.

    Right of Free Speech is slowly being taken away by Corporate control of important information. How sad that ignorance speeds the process.

  11. Thanks Jeff.

    1. I misunderstood that a vote had been taken for removal.

    2. The letter states, “In executive session, you will be given an opportunity to present your case.” I believe the burden is on the board to present THEIR case, not the other way around.

    3. Is the commenter “glolady” speaking for the URTV Board of Directors? If so, please explain your understanding of “their own devious motives.” Will you be presenting this argument at the board meeting?

  12. Apparently, the board called an Executive Committee meeting on Jan 9 to discuss the removal of two directors for unknown reasons. This call for an Executive Committee meeting must be done by a vote of the quorum in a regular meeting. When was that done?

    Also, the bylaws state: “An Executive Committee shall consist of the Officers of the Corporation.” And that, “Board members must have served at least one year on the Board to be eligible to hold executive office.”

    — Who are the members of the Executive Committee?
    — What are their qualifications as Executive members?

  13. i was so happy when peter was put on the board… i voted for him,and he did such a good jod…
    i always thought,(how can they remove a member elected board member?)…now it looks like Pat Garlinghouse is doing it again…members vote them in,and Pat Garlinghouse kicks them out.. they don’t last long…this makes 2 out of 3…thank you for this tim..


    and thank you peter, for trying to make things better…

  14. (“Without Pat, there would be no URTV.”
    Jerry Young – President)

    what a joke..
    urtv was here befor Pat Garlinghouse ever hit asheville,and will be here long after she is gone..

    remember,things are more like they are now,than they ever have been..
    Atv… j.b.. .. . … . . . . . ..

  15. When I joined URTV Pat was up for her 1st year review.

    Jen was the programmer of URTV at the time. She stated many things during lengthy conversations about Pat and the studio to me that I have since found to be false.

    Tim Peck was a wanna be producer who was in Love with Jen and still churns the paddles of discontent in her honor.

    Being a producer of your own programing is hard work that takes dedication. Talent helps but is not a requirement. Some people put others before themselves for the good of the whole and to others it is all about them.

  16. Funny how “glolady” turns to slander and personal attack as her key argument and yet has nothing to say about gross and evident malfeasance.

  17. Jeff Fobes

    Glolady: Interesting details (whether factual or not) you bring to the table. But I don’t see their relevance to the question of proper procedure, rule of law, Roberts Rules of Order etc.

    The issue here is not which faction or person is more competent to produce programming and manage volunteers, but rather whether rules and laws are being followed.

    I have seen cases where dark forces bring up **process** to rock the boat, but in my experience, the so-called forces of light have a natural advantage when process, consistency and principles are center stage.

    If you are prepared to stand by and defend agreed-upon principles, you have little to fear. Or, if you find yourself at odds with the agreed-upon principles, then you have another, bigger and even more important challenge.

  18. DiggerDan

    Yes, I notice you seem to be the last to run.
    Truth is always brutal.

    GL said:
    Truth is Brutal…..
    When the light is lit the cockroaches will run.

  19. board members are not that easy to find,and if Pat Garlinghouse keeps kicking them off,we will never have a full board.. how can we ever get the business done,or is that the point?? run one off,kick off another,why cant they see,we could get so much more done if we all just work together??these are some of the best board members we have ever had.they put in the time needed,and then some,and these people do not get paid for this..we should thank them for all the hard work,they put in for FREE,oops i mean free..if urtv lasts ,it will be by the work of people like these who work for free..please people,just try to get along..urtv will be better for it..

  20. Don Yelton

    The truth is alway brutal and sometimes the truth bits the person that tells the truth. Please read Proverbs 28:23 and flowery words of praise never replace the facts. I think the facts go much deeper than URTV and is the basis for a lot of deals in Buncombe.

    Everybody has people that the like more than others. What about URTV makes it want to work not in the open. Were they televising their board meetings. NO Are we too busy to attend all board meetings. Yes

    Do people have personality problems and likes and dislikes. Yes

    What is really amazing is that this is one time we see liberals and conservative coming together to get to the bottom of this “thing” so let’s get it on.

    Let the facts unfold and all will be surprised.
    Wanna bet this is not the first time and will not be the last time.

  21. Don Yelton is right.. liberals and conservative care about free speech,and urtv..we have learned how to work together,and how much more we get done that way.. i wish you could see it. we must be in the last daze…

  22. dave

    so hard to choose a side when its Timpeck vs Glo Lady.

    How about “none of the above”?

  23. Glenn

    Well I did not know what to think about all of this before. However, now that they have kicked off 2 board members, I am sure of who is in the wrong an who is in the right now.

    It’s clear to see that URTV has something to hide and those 2 board members were trying to bring it to light.

    Kicking off those 2 board members makes it clear as day. I hope the city and county and the state get involved now and either shut them down or get rid of pat and the rest of the board. It’s clear that something illegal is going on there.

    I have to admin I was not sure before they done this, but now I am sure.

  24. For anyone interested in being on the URTV board:

    WANTED: Citizens who are willing to become local leaders. That’s the goal of the City Boards and Commissions. Asheville City Council is looking for some citizens who want to get involved and make a difference by serving on a city board or commission. The board listed below currently has vacancies and are looking for dedicated citizens to lead the community. The deadline for receiving applications for these opening is Thursday, March 5 at 5 p.m.


    This is a non-profit selected by Asheville and Buncombe County to manage the community’s public access television station. Responsibilities of the Board will be to focus on getting the URTV station up and running: site selection, hiring a Director, purchasing equipment, etc. Desired
    skills include legal advisors, fundraising experts, public speakers, producers, media technicians and media educators.

  25. I think it is so Great that URTV has been in the Public’s eye for the last 3 weeks. It has been more entertaining then a reality TV show.

    Now that the public is aware that they have this great resource in their town, maybe someone will want to become a member and produce their own sit-com.

    It is Hard work but Good fun. Come on down to URTV and see what is going on.

  26. Peter Brezny

    Everything below is my opinion. I hope the reader will take the time to check facts and form their own opinion. Then take action to help save this valuable community resource.

    I was removed from the board for similar reasons when I began questioning spending practices by Pat Garlinghouse and the board’s unwillingness to follow policy (See:http://ourasheville.org/071115-urtv/).

    In my opinion, the problem is Garlinghouse. She’s wrong for the station, as became evident just a few weeks after her hiring when producers began coming to me (the official board liaison to the membership, elected by the membership) complaining of her negative attitude and creation and enforcement of her own set of policies which had not been approved by the board (which she subsequently convinced the board to approve by inviting her favorite members to cocktail parties while excluding others on the board). Whats more shes incompetent as a manager and clueless about modern video and computer technology. Her command of BS however is remarkable, and unless you know technology well, good luck sorting out the stream if impressive yet only half accurate information she can spew to convince you she knows what she’s talking about.

    She is also an outstanding politician, and will likely never be removed by the board due to her skill in that arena. A review of the reasons she was removed from or given the option to leave previous community access positions is as telling as the problems and controversies that have plagued the station since her hiring and remain in play now.

    With proper management by someone who knows how to work with the community instead of for their own agenda, URTV might actually survive and start to become a real resource for the community.

    I hope the City and County will intervene to replace the existing board and management so that we can continue to enjoy this resource.

    Best of Luck URTV, I hope you will survive.

  27. Jeff Fobes

    Peter: Thanks for your views. I note that you said, “I hope the reader will take the time to check facts and form their own opinion.”

    In that regard, I hope you will supply the links and/or leads to allow the public to review Garlinghouse’s past, given that you wrote: “A review of the reasons she was removed from or given the option to leave previous community access positions is as telling as the problems and controversies that have plagued the station since her hiring and remain in play now.

  28. DiggerDan

    I’ve been speaking to several oldtimers and a couple of former Board Members, this is not new behavior, it is a pattern of Mrs. Garlinghouse. Any Board Member who ask questions or doesn’t step in line is run off. It just didn’t go so quietly this time…this time a major media outlet got wind and started sniffing around the halls of URTV. So thank you Mountain Express. My guess is this is not new behavior, but in a small town like Asheville things start getting around.

    I wondered why there were so many former board members who came and went quickly, and behind the scenes, I’m being told that some felt “run off”. I’m sure Bresny, Bernier and Dial do, but there are others too.

    Now interestingly Mrs. Garlinghouse nominated Brother Christopher (Mad Monk), during the last nominating meeting in Oct. It appears to me, that she prefers either complete yes men, or someone on the Board to act as a distraction (If you know Bro. Chris. you know what I mean/if you don’t ask Mayor Bellamy).
    Either way, the board stays in turmoil and is immature or it’s a rubber stamping Board and little scrutiny of her actions.

  29. Had sad that we are so quick to judge the book by the cover. Some great works are lost because no one bothers to open the book.

    Brother Christopher’s appearance might not be to his advantage but his words are his truth and stupid he is Not!

  30. URTV_4_U

    No one mentioned stupidity. I notice you glom onto ad hominems rather than deal with facts. Debate skills are something most of us learn in junior high, you misssed those classes didn’t ya.

  31. Tired


    How wonderfully sweet it is to read Brezney’s and Blackwell’s heartfelt concerns for URTV!!!

    Cash flow running low????

    Blackwell, you were done with URTV when they put a stop to you leaching off them trying to make money from that faux (see rip off) joke of a website you charge for. Didn’t you shoot all of those teaparties at URTV? What a service they provided for you to do that huh?
    Good for you to attempt a total rip-off of the place that got you started. What an honorable man you are.

    Peter, kurt mann did not have a clue how to make URTV a success. All of his talk about producers making money at the station, established a mind set that got URTV’s start up off on the completely wrong foot. Producer’s complaints to you were created by kurt’s ridiculous “vision” now the new board and pat are still trying to clean up the mess left by kurt and non productive members who are upset they don’t get preferential treatment any more.

    Are the doors open? Yes

    Are members producing television programming? Yes

    Are people having to tip toe around jen’s psychotic and paranoid behavior? Thank whatever you find sacred NO!!!!

    Most importantly, Are any of you making shows for URTV, or just seeking revenge because things didn’t turn out the way you wanted it to?

  32. URTV_4_U

    Read the management agreement Tired. The city and county expect people to do something with their production after it’s shown on URTV…otherwise there would be few willing to do the work for just one airing. Production is hard and even a live show is hard work. Blackwell has done nothing wrong.

    After showing on URTV any show can be shown anywhere a person deems fit. As for commercial value we’re talking nickles and dimes….an Oprah Winfrey [who got started] in Public Access comes along in a blue moon. All this BS about making money is just that. bs of the first order..and getting pretty high….where are my durn wader boots?

  33. Tired

    URTV 4 u wrote:

    Blackwell has done nothing wrong

    blackwell advertised and promoted his for profit site on a show produced at, and aired on URTV.
    That is against the rules!!

    URTV 4 u, do you actively use the station?

    This is my point, None of you sh#@ stirrers here even use URTV! Everyone who supports URTV on these comments are people who actually take advantage of this valuable asset that Asheville is lucky to have.
    Don’t you think you should have to actually be an active participant in something before trying to over throw it or bring it down?

  34. Thank you, URTV_4_U.

    There seems to be some misunderstanding about who owns the content of URTV programming.


    Copyright of programmng produced by the public shall be held by such person(s) who produce(s) said programming.

    City Agreement
    County Agreement


    Producers own the programs that they produce. Once the programs have been cablecast on URTV, the owners of the programs — the producers — can do with them what they like. They can sit on a shelf, be re-published online, or sold.

    Beyond that, there are other benefits that can come to producers by virtue of their access to, and use of equipment and facilties. They can gain technical and process skills that can aid them in pursuing a career in TV or film (as Brother Chiaramonte claims he can now do). Or a producer who publishes a newspaper can increase readership by producing a companion newscast (as AGR attempted). A producer can benefit from any fame they have garnered from being a talk show host or the sole subject of their program.

    And they certainly have every right to upload a catalog of their own programs to a website for their own, and others’ benefit.

  35. Tired

    Yes Tim, they own there shows AFTER they have been cablecast on URTV.

    You can’t promote a for profit business WHILE it is running on URTV. Please pay attention.

    Blackwell broke the rules when he did exactly that and is now upset he got called on it. Not to mention the overt URTV coattail riding he is pulling in an attempt to make money, not off his show but of the station itself. That is just offensive.

    No one said anything about ownership.

    Tim, do you currently produce any programming for URTV?
    Oh, I forgot, you were “outta there” when jen left.

    On behalf of URTV supporters “Thank you soo much for your support and all you have contributed to the success of our public access station”.

  36. Tired seems re-energized and writes: “Tim, do you currently produce any programming for URTV?”

    No. Should I? Would that somehow relieve management of their requirement to follow the law?

  37. URTV_4_U

    No I’m not currently producing for URTV…I’m one of the 2/3rds of the membership run off, because of Garlinghouses’ heavy handed ways, as are probably most of the people here. Such bad people management has long term consequences and as said before, this is a small town & word gets around fast. Asheville is not like a Houston, where poor people management skills can be hidden for a long time.

    Rules work both ways, the rules URTV management has broken far exceeds any slight mention of an upstart website, most of us can see the difference, even if you can’t or won’t.

    Tired said: “This is my point, None of you sh#@ stirrers here even use URTV! Everyone who supports URTV on these comments are people who actually take advantage of this valuable asset that Asheville is lucky to have.
    Don’t you think you should have to actually be an active participant in something before trying to over throw it or bring it down?”

  38. Tired


    Yes, you should produce something for URTV.
    If you went in there and actually participated in the service they provide instead of spending all your time complaining, you might be surprised at how much better it is since the year and a half you’ve actually walked through the door. (jen has been gone about that long, so I’m assuming from your words you haven’t been there either)

    I just call it as I see it. The biggest complainers are the ones who don’t even use the facility, or who have been called out for trying to make money inappropriately off URTV.

    The board and Pat are trying to keep URTV’s doors open. Some of the boards’ decisions might not make some people happy,(Who could forget all the hissy fits everyone through about kurt mann, you and Peter included) but the doors will be opened as scheduled. The city and county will work out any problems they have with URTV about what’s going on.
    People will be making programming that fulfills whatever they have to express.
    People will receive training on professional equipment. Some shows will be good, some will be bad, but they would not exist at all without URTV.

    So, Tim, tell me again, what exactly is YOUR stake in all of this, since you admit you don’t even use the place?

  39. Tired

    urtv_4_u wrote
    “I’m one of the 2/3rds of the membership run off, because of Garlinghouses’ heavy handed ways”

    So would you as well want things to go back to life at URTV before Pat? With the preferential treatment former employees languished on their personal friends?

    It sounds like “heavy handed” and fair for everyone means the same thing to you. I haven’t heard of anyone’s membership being revoked yet so how exactly were you run off?

    Once again someone complaining about the URTV board seems to have a personal axe to grind.

    C’mon let’s be honest. How were you personally so badly wronged by the Board or Staff at URTV.
    I would love to read Tim’s answer to this as well.

  40. Tired writes: “what exactly is YOUR stake in all of this”

    I have no stake.

    “How were you personally so badly wronged by the Board or Staff at URTV.”

    I was not wronged.

  41. why do people say things like this about me??ok fact #1=i have kept not one cent of the money that came in from that web sight… #2=all of that money and more,has always gone into public access tv and other forms of alternative Medea.. #3= only the very few that know what is up,know this ,and they must think ,it is very funny,what you say.. ( i have kept not one cent of the money that came in from that web sight…if you would ask the people who know,they would be glad to tell you…)i know it is hard for some people to think that i would not be looking for personal gain,but some of us feel just that way about public access tv,and freedom of speech..if you think i am making money,you are way off the mark..why do i waste my time with people like this??

  42. oh!! i think it is they who look to make money from urtv…
    also-“Good for you to attempt a total rip-off of the place that got you started. ”

    i do not think urtv got me started…i got started way long before urtv..

    how i am not saying that i got urtv started,but i have done a lot more toward that end than you ever have..

  43. “Didn’t you shoot all of those teaparties at URTV? What a service they provided for you to do that huh? ”
    yes,and didn’t i produce 5 hours a week of tv(week after week) for urtv??
    you must think that downloading old movies from the net is some how the same as going before the cameras for 5 hours a week..
    i think not…what are you trying to say with those old movies anyway??-i am big stuff,i can download movies??i was producing ,years before urtv,and i produce 5 hours of video a week every week now…i am looking at a stack of dvds i have in the can now,must be 50 or more..hope you all watch my new show , coming soon ..

  44. Tired

    Thank you for your honesty. I believe you are probably the only one in this group of complainers without a personal vendetta against the board or Pat.

    I respect your integrity and have attempted in my posts to not lump you in with these other whiners.
    I hope I succeeded, and you have to understand, URTV supporters have been listening to this same old crap from spoiled members in one form or another since 2006. It just gets tiring.

  45. URTV_4_U

    Christ, the same old “Tired” in many ways argument.

    From 623 members down to around 250 in 18 or 19 months? All spoiled by Curt Mann….I don’t think so.

  46. tired

    It’s Kurt with a K.
    It wasn’t kurt himself, he isn’t smart enough to orchestrate this kind of whining. It was the ludicrously Utopian promises he made that the station could never live up to. He never had the slightest grasp of being fiscally responsible.

    623 to 250? What a conveniently narrow way of looking at things. If you have 2,000 members that don’t do diddly or 200 that are actively involved and SUPPORTIVE of the organization, which one is more productive and positive for URTV?

    Call Curt Arledge the program director (255 8848) that should have been there all along. Ask him how many hours of original programming is submitted each month. I guarantee you it is much more than it was 2 years ago with your precious 623 members.

  47. Matt Howard

    What Dr.Blackwell said about not keeping the website money is true. When the feed went down he offered me my money back.

  48. Monday March 16th 7pm URTV is having a Producers Party with live music, food, and fun.

    Come unite with other Producers of content for URTV. Hear what is in the planing stages for the new season starting in April.

  49. This was announced on GLoLady TV by Dale Joyner. Hot off the Press. I am just a messenger!

    No secret meeting all Producers are invited to “Socialize”.

  50. Count_me_out

    “”This was announced on GLoLady TV by Dale Joyner. Hot off the Press. I am just a messenger!
    No secret meeting all Producers are invited to “Socialize”.”””

    Now that seems like a party down group…I can’t wait. Non producing members better stay away…no coddeling of you lazy scoundrels, who are sucking URTV’s blood.

  51. elaneon

    Tired, I really resent your comment about non-producing members not doing diddly squat. They pay dues- at $75 bucks a pop, and pay for classes-30 bucks on up per class, they donate money and stuff, and support URTV by talking about it to their friends and neighbors. Why discourage that? I only wish we had 2000 of them.

    Yes, producers are great. Non-producing members are great too. These are URTV supporters, not trash to be belittled and sent packing by you.

  52. Tired

    Elaneon, I never said non-producing members:

    “If you have 2,000 members that don’t do diddly or 200 that are actively involved and SUPPORTIVE of the organization, which one is more productive and positive for URTV”

    Anyone supporting URTV in any way deserves the utmost credit and respect. If you are participating in any positive way that is great.
    Actively involved, and supportive have nothing to do with actually “producing” a television show.

    My point has been all along that these non paying, non supportive, non members have no place trashing something many people care deeply about simply because they are mad at Pat.

    That is what I “really resent”, and if you want URTV to continue to exist, you should “really resent” their behavior as well.

    Elaneon,please share with me anywhere I have trashed or belittled a single URTV supporter.
    Don’t worry, I’ll wait.

  53. Producer1

    On Mon, 2/2/09, Ralph Roberts wrote:
    From: Ralph Roberts

    Subject: Re: “FailedProducers”
    To: “richard bernier”
    Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 3:36 PM

    > Ralph,
    > You state “failed producers” – would you care to state their
    names then.
    > As a goal of a board member, we must look & seek out the reasons why
    > failed to see what we can do as a body to improve our producers numbers
    > here at URTV.

    We know why they failed, Richard, they didn’t do the work. You also know
    their names.

    > I’m sure we both agree that we want a strong membership rolls for URTV
    > afford them an easy way to get their productions on the line up.

    They have an easy way, just bring the shows in and give them to Curt.
    What’s so hard about that? You bring, URTV plays it. Period.

    > I’m glad you have noticed they are some former members, lets get their
    > names & look into this matter – uncover their reasons & see if we
    > regain our membership roll back in the 400 to 500 range instead of the
    > level that has been reported of around 150 to 175.

    If they aren’t going to produce, we dont’ want them back. URTV is
    for people that can and will produce. THAT is our product, not coddling

    > I see the recent
    > increase to be uncalled for which Ralph just might be one of the reasons
    > why the numbers appears to be falling each month for the last year.

    In all modesty, I have brought in a number of producers and helped them
    STAY productive. Richard, you need to start producing again and helping
    other producers. That will do a lot for URTV. In fact, I challenge you to
    do so. Join the dance, you go some good moves. Shake your video booty!

    > Thank you for bringing this issue up, I will for sure be willing to help
    > you address this issue in the next board meeting.
    > Great work Ralph,

    Thank you, but the last thing we need is more talk at board meetings. WE
    NEED SHOWS! Get to producing.


  54. Illuminatti_01

    Well “Tired” there’s your answer….
    Ralph Roberts said on 2-2-09..
    “If they aren’t going to produce, we dont’ want them back. URTV is looking for people that can and will produce. THAT is our product, not coddling members. ”

    Since many of us viewers of this saga believe “Tired” to be a combination of Pat & Ralph (aka P’alph)……”Tired” jut got the answer.
    Want to guess how many businesses would stay in business if this was the attitude of their employees? People may not be constantly actively producing, things may be percalating. But they’re out in the community advocating for and promoting URTV, if they’ve been made to feel valued.
    The creative process is mysterious…you can’t just crank things out.

    We know Ralph just downloads old “c” grade westerns that are in the public domain and turns those in as “programming” or rides around filming from his car…these are not really “programs” they’re filler. But Ralph arrogantely thinks he’s producing….this is a delusion. Producing takes a lot of time , effort, thought, and money and talent..URTV has lost 2/3rds of it’s membership because of the arrogant attitude displayed in the post above. I ask you…who’s “tearing down URTV”????? And, trust me folks,
    Ralph is speaking for Garlinghouse in this email…he doesn’t say anything without her putting the words in his mouth.

    Am I the only person here who thinks it’s the job of the ED to make ALL members feel welcome and that they’re valued? If she’s not out getting funding or promoting outreach, isn’t making URTV a welcoming place for members the very least she could be doing?????

  55. Holy Freakin A….

    Did you ask the members if the recession had anything to do with it?

    Do you think they found out how hard it is to produce any programming let alone good programming?

    It costs more than a big mouth….

    OH is that why you don’t produce anything but negativity for URTV?

    Members come on in… if you want to learn behind the scenes… we will teach you…how hard it is to copy and edit… anybody who has done editing knows it is time consuming.

    Do Not Expect the personnel to bow at your feet upon your arrival…. they do earn their keep and you have to wait your turn.

  56. EvaluateNow!!!

    It was established here early in this saga, that indeed producing is hard, that is why it’s important to keep folks around….if not able to produce some may be helpful in assisting others. Roberts flagrant imperious attitude above says no one who is not actively producing is welcome…and we know Roberts is Garlinghouses’ mouth piece.

    ….it speaks volumes about you when you say “Do Not Expect the personnel to bow at your feet upon your arrival…. they do earn their keep and you have to wait your turn.”
    The attitude that people are useless divas, unless they are turning in grade D productions (like old western reruns and ever so many videos of waterfalls) and expect too much seems to prevail within you too.

  57. The employees act as good employees should, they take care of the customers.

    When an employees is working I think it is rude to demand attention when they are busy.

    I do take pride in my creative work with the limitations that I continue to endure. Imagine what we could do if we were a fully staffed show.

  58. Matt Howard

    It’s true that a lot of people who pass through URTV dont appreciate how much Curt and Jonathan have on thier plates.

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    Join the Asheville ABC’s series for it’s conversation about local media and community journalism. Where are we & what are our challenges & opportunities?

    Discuss MAIN 2.0, WPVM, URTV, blogging, and more.


  60. elaneon


    So sorry to keep you waiting. In my defense I have responsibilities beyond following this thread.

    “If you have 2,000 members that don’t do diddly or 200 that are actively involved and SUPPORTIVE of the organization, which one is more productive and positive for URTV”

    Your comment suggests it is possible to have members who don’t do diddly squat. My point is, it’s impossible. If people are members they already are making a valuable contribution. Should we encourage them to produce if they want to produce? Of course. Should we threaten members that if they don’t produce, we don’t want them- no!

    People who claim to care about the fate of URTV should be respectful of producers and non-producing members alike. Pretending membership shrinkage is anything other than tragic- that is part of the problem. URTV needs an expanded memberhip in order to survive.

    To all concerned,

    The fact that so many ex-members are berated on this forum makes me frankly uncomfortable. Every one of them have the right to rejoin URTV at any time. All the ones regularly talked about are talented people who made great contributions in the past. Should we be discouraging any of them from returning- by disparaging their motives and characters- no!

    These forums aren’t a battlefield. It’s a place for civil debate. It’s troubling that people here feel so combative, have to disparage the characters, contributions, and shows of others simply because those people disagree with them.

    I know this situation has arisen because many here feel personal loyalty to Ms. Garlinghouse or to current or ex- employees, board, or producers. None of the above need any to fight on their behalves.

    Further, it is in all our best interests to remain civil and work together despite our disagreements of opinion, personal friendships, and other the emotional elements involved. Can we do that for the sake of URTV? If we can’t I see no positive future outcomes.

  61. Producers Party tonight Monday March 16, 2009 at URTV 7pm….

    Lets hope that we have a Big Turn Out to hear the New stuff planned for the next season.

    Come unite URTV!!!

  62. Matt Howard

    Small detail about non producing members.
    Current yearly fee is $75.
    2000 non producing members times 75 is $150,000.
    Which would put URTV in the black.

    I know people who dont have the time or inclination to produce, but stay members and pay thier fees because they want to support URTV.

    That said I also feel that the best place to observe something is from the inside. Frankly producers dont have it hard at URTV. I also have an inside look at WPVM, and the volunteers vs ED debate there is a whole next level of messed up.

    No one at URTV has had thier show cancelled just because it dosent fit someones vision.

  63. Sundance

    “As A URTV producer, I have said many times that I know theres nothing shady going on behind the scenes, this is a conflict of personalities, and a lack of communication. That said, the management of URTV has dealt with this crisis in a manner that will only serve to make things worse, not make it go away.”

    “When you have 2 people stand up in a smooth running boat and start rocking it for their own devious motives the choice is go down with the ship or throw the problem overboard to seek their thrills elsewhere.

    Right of Free Speech is slowly being taken away by Corporate control of important information. How sad that ignorance speeds the process.”

    With all due respect Matt and Glolady there is some shady stuff going on if the board is unwilling to let it own producers film and possibly rebroadcast a board meeting on the URTV channel.

    URTV is a public access channel and as it is dependent on donations and some public funds there should be full transparency without exception which means those meeting should be televised so the entire public know what is going on with their station and more importantly their funds.

    I can remember when I was living in Asheville and this whole URTV deal was being put together and I was a little leary of it make up at inception. It also seems that you folks at URTV are being childish, irrational,back stabbing and practicing censure which goes against the fabric and framework of public access and the idea of community media to begin with. Perhaps the URTV board and its producers should look up the definitions of the words “public” and “community” and begin practicing and applying those definitions in regards to the operations of URTV and well as its growth.

  64. Don Yelton

    like I said in the beginning put them in Studio A and film the whole darn thing. Do a documentary on the deal. Interview all involved and let them speak into the camera and then decide.

    What the heck do people not understand about open and transparent? Some people don’t like me and I don’t like them but we both have a right to speak.

  65. Sundance

    I completely agree with you Don…but it appears that some folks at URTV may not share the same beliefs even though it is suppose to be open and transparent as it is a public access channel and suppose to be the model for community media.

    However, to be pure community media all sides should be heard, all ideas discussed, voted on, etc. and it seems there is some shady nonsense like what went on at PVM going on at URTV. A select group of autocrats that want to control everything and squash and censure open access, ideas, opinions and for that matter the truth.

    Hmmm…maybe this is why those community media meetings that happened about a year and half ago fizzled out and eventually ended with nothing accomplished. Right, Matt???

  66. Matt Howard

    Sundance, I suspect, you dont even understand my position and where I stand with things. I have said several times in these forums that I agree with Don Yelton completely on transparancy, (other things not so much, but I will give him his due credit for free speech)and I have told Pat Garlinghouse to her face that she needs to be filming the board meetings herself, and broadcasting them unedited. I have tried my best to be a neutral party in this and not attack people personally, because I know we are all being watched, and vicious drama will be part of URTV’s reputation long after most of the names have been forgotten. But I also will defend the institution of URTV from people who want to talk smack about it. I have also never hid behind a psuedonym here. So either you are going off half cocked, or have an agenda your not owning up to.

    Im actively involved in both URTV and WPVM, the only person in Asheville who can say that at the moment, and encourage you to get involved with one or both.

    And Im not really sure why the community media meetings fizzled. I attended them, but took no responsibility for organizing them. But I know, and in fact am the sort of personality involved. We tend to take on and try to do too much, and as a result something always gets the short shaft of commitment.

  67. elaneon


    I’m curious. What exactly made you leary about URTV at its inception? I know a portion of the community had concerns. I never understood why so many people were uneasy with the idea. Apart from Mr. Young I’ve never had the chance to talk to someone else who mentioned concerns. I doubt your concerns were exactly the same as his concerns.

    WPVM is another can of worms. It is useful to this discussion but only as a cautionary tale. WPVM has nothing to do with URTV despite the many claims of Mr Bowen.

    I don’t think Mr. Smith had the spare time to continue organizing the community media meetings and won’t in the foreseeable future since he’s running for City Council. Ms. Bowen (no relation to Mr. Bowen) is organizing community meetings on various topics including media. She would be the person to contact for info or if you’d like to help organize.

    If you were including Mr. Howard in the dictatorial conspiracy, I doubt you’ve worked with him before. He’s not a my way or the highway personality. He’s been helpful to me and shares his time and knowledge when he’s around the station generously. His shows are team efforts and have run what? Two years? At URTV that’s staying power for shows that take more than one or two people to make.

    According to Johnny Lemuria on another URTV thread, Ms. Garlinghouse objected to the filming because one or more board members asked not to be filmed. She thought they had that right.

    Lastly, I agree with you that transparency is everything to public access. We don’t need to know Ms. Garlinghouse’s SS# or other staff personal info, but everything else from who said what at a board meeting to where the last dime went should be a matter of public record. The divisions aren’t going to heal at URTV until that happens.

  68. Sundance

    Matt you stated that their is no wrong doing or behind the scenes stuff going on and from the actions of the board that is not true. How many folks has your “Deity” (Pat Garlinghouse) removed from the board?

    You now have another two members slated to be removed because they are questioning the actions of the URTV board and trying to have transparentcy and make the board follow the bylaws that were set up by them and the public of Asheville and Buncombe county through the councils.

    URTV receives or has received public funds and needs to be totally transparent to the public weather Pat Garlinghouse wants it or not. Its not her station and she and the board do not own it. THE CITIZENS OF ASHEVILLE AND BUNCOMBE COUNTY OWN IT….THAT IS WHAT PUBLIC ACCESSY IS. If everybody does not want to be public access anymore pay back every cent of Community money you have taken and pay Charter the whatever cost they want for your own channel.

    You and everyone else who produce there or pay a membership fee should demand those two board members not be removed and the ones who have been removed be reinstated. You should also demand full transparency and if she does not want to do that go to City Council and have her but removed!

    Another idea Matt. If all of you producers did not produce any content until the changes needed where made the board and Galinghouse would have no choice but to comply.

    I understand you wanting to be neutral but if something wrong is happening then don’t you all of you at URTV owe it to yourself to do your best and fix it? Please don’t try telling me there is nothing you producers can do. There is strengh in numbers and the public of Asheville will show more support for you the workers and producers band together and clean up the mess that is going on. Stop trying to do what has always been done and brush it under the rug, something that seems to happen way to often in Asheville and Buncombe county.

    Additionally Matt, as far as me getting involved in URTV or WPVM I think you would agree it is really not a viable option when a person is not even living in the United States at the moment. If I chose to return in six months I have doubts as to weather I will return to Asheville even though I love the place.

  69. Matt Howard

    You know I attended the community media meetings, so you know who I am. I have never thought of myself as important enough to be singled out for any kind of attack, but you are starting to stroke my ego here. The very fact that you are trying to put the word “Deity” in my mouth, to describe how I feel about Pat means you have singled me out. Believe me, not how I feel.

    I have stood in the middle because there are friends I have on both sides of this. I have sat down with people on both sides of this conflict and listened at leingth, asking questions, trying to piece together series of events. Trying to cut through the ‘he said, she said’ BS and figure out whats going on. If you did your research like me, you would know that I have already said that I will be voting to retain Davyne Dial at the upcoming member meeting.

    I maintain my position because I have seen people on both sides of this mess respond with emotions instead of using thier head. Losing track of the issues and making things personal. Or more to the point, I think there are things people on both sides should have done very, very differently long before we got to this point. But I dont accuse people of things publicly when I dont think it will do any good. I have on the other hand told people on one side or the other when I think something is being done to make things worse.

    Im in the middle of things here, literally. And I stand by what I say. You claim to be halfway around the world, conveniently leaving yourself out of the fray, and are hiding behind a psuedonym. So I say again, you either have an agenda you arent being straight with, or your emotions are running hotter than your mind, and you dont really know whats going on.

  70. Evaluate_Now!!

    HHmmmmmm? Questions on excessive travel expenses in Houston, and refusal to allow access to the books, here. Those books are part of the “Public Records”
    According to the county officials I’ve spoken with URTV indeed come under open record laws.
    Looks very bad, why the need for all the secrecy?

  71. Sundance

    Elaneon…I never said URTV and WVPM were the same please get you fact straight but this mess and URTV is starting to have the same STINK and SMELL to it and it appears no one in Asheville who is actively producing at URTV wants to fix the issues as they are afraid they will rock the boat a little. In the words of glolady don’t rock a smooth sailing boat. Hmmmmm…don’t rock a smooth sailing boat when its taking on water, sinking and has tax money receiving pirates at the helm who refuse to make the books public record, who continually have meeting minutes vanish into thin air?

    And the personalities and producers commonly use the line from the Resolve carpet cleaning commercial “That’s ok” and continue to let it go on.

    PS. Matt

    Would you like a copy of my Visa to prove I am out of the country? If so you are worse then a Mexican customs agent.

  72. Sad…so sad…sometimes it seems so sad…

    Using Sundance for your name does not fit your persona and insults the namesake.

    You should use Thunder Cloud… you bring dark clouds and lots of noise.

    Good thing about when the storm passes is the brilliant rainbow before the bright shinning Sun.

    Since you are not in the States you must be watching the programming on the internet. Why not film your journeys and submit some to URTV?

    If you are not part of the Solution then you are the problem… put up or shut up!

  73. Sundance

    glolady…solutions have been offered time and time again but you and some others at URTV refuse to take off your blinders and rose colored shades, face the facts and music, roll up your sleeves and and implement the measures that need to happen for URTV to be a success. Instead of doing that, you simply run folks off and then you ask the public for a hand out, ask individuals to join you so you can take their money in membership fees only to squash their ideas for fixing the issues and if they don’t shut up you run them off additionally.

    Hey Glolady how do you know I am not someone you have already treated and done this two or how do you know I am not someone in the past who gave URTV some advice only to have it fall on death ears because it was an inconvenient truth for your precious rose colored world?

    Isn’t it time you get out of you paint by numbers perfect world, except reality and deal with it?

  74. elaneon


    Until now I’ve done my best to pass along my opinions on topics of your choosing and info I hoped you might find useful.

    I tend to put up with people here who are unnecessarily rude or personally insulting because I know that passions are running high. However I have zero respect that you traffic in racist stereotypes in order to make your points.

    My final courtesy is to inform you that I’ll be ignoring you from here on out.

  75. Sundance

    whatever elaneon…the question was directed to Matt since he does not believe I am out of the country. I said if he was not capable of taking a person at his word then he is worse then a Mexican customs agent….an agency I am currently going round and round with in order to get my belongings. Additionally, I like others participating in this thread are simply trying to get you folks to open your eyes, stand up and put a stop to the nonsense you folks at URTV have allowed to go on continually since its inception, but hey it was founded that way so if you wanted to continue to use a failed model or plan go ahead just don’t except citizens to continue to fund it.

    It appears you folks do not want to stand up to the chiefs in order to have transparency. Without transparency you will never have the funding or support from the community you so desire and seek. I’m done with this thread because as it has been in the past and present no one is ready to take the steps needed in a forward direction and all you are doing is complaining and whinning when your are told that by countless folks.

    If board members are not willing to be filmed during the meetings they should not be sitting on it. It is a public board and the public has the right to see and hear them in action and ultimately judge the boards decisions.

    As long as URTV receives any money from the public this board should also be elected by the people and the community at large and not appointed.

  76. Don Yelton

    What a novel idea OPEN MEETINGS for URTV/ It would have to start with city council and county commissioners. NO wonder we are wondering.

  77. Sundance

    Don while their maybe closed meeting for City and county councils which some have been gone against state laws there are a fair amount that are open to the public and they are also shown on the city and county television channels. How many televised meetings has the URTV board had? Why can’t folks seem to be able to have a look at the minutes from the meetings…folks on here have said the minutes magically disappear into thin air?

  78. “folks on here have said the minutes magically disappear into thin air”

    And some members are magically suspended when they ask to have a look at the books — which is their right.

  79. Tired of_it all

    Glo-lady, stop with the shameless self promotion of your show, already. Minimizing this is not going to make it go away.

    This is serious business, malfeasance of a non-profit like URTV is quite common. Not allowing transparency is going to be the achilles heal of the URTV Board and it’s Executive Director. Mark my word.

  80. “Lets set a record for comments on this Forum. ”

    For realz folks – ya’ll talk a lot about this, and not always are you mentioning applicable insights. Regardless, I sure hope something concrete & positive comes to pass with all of these comments, meetings & conversations.

    If nothing else – at least it gets URTV activists involved with saving the station before PEG funds disappear due to cable TV becoming antiquated & the county threatens to dissolve the (truly) public access station of the local citizenry.

  81. What I would like to know is how many people have started to watch URTV because of this forum.

    There is some great programming that rivals Main stream media entertainment with some topics that you will not find there either.

  82. Piffy!

    “What I would like to know is how many people have started to watch URTV because of this forum. ”

    i havent. the only time ive watched urtv was to see Bugg on your show, and it sucked.

  83. Sundance

    JBo…I think having the board meetings televised is very applicable. I know Don went to Shulers office to film a meeting in which the venue was magically moved and changed to a closed meeting.

    As for the books, paid URTV members could access that material very easily via a web application on the URTV website with secure access for URTV members. Meeting minutes could also be made available on the website with an archive for folks to go back to as a reference. This would also help the board members dramatically in doing their job correctly. A CMS website could provide all of this and more for URTV like past shows, etc.

    As a matter of fact I suggested this to some URTV members in the past, offered to help and it fell on deaf ears so the offer was withdrawn, and they will need to find someone else to do it. There are a lot of free CMS type sites like Joomla, Xoops, PHP Nuke, etc that handle all of this including keeping up with when a persons dues need to be paid if URTV wanted the system to do that.

    If URTV continues to receive money from the general public through donations, city and county councils I think and online quarterly statement like most publicly held corporations provide would satisfy the public’s interest.

    JBo, almost everything that has been kicked around on this thread is very very applicable and would help achieve transparency and begin moving the station forward in a positive direction so it could look forward to future growth and public support.

  84. Sundance

    I just viewed the website and looked at the page source and URTVweb.com is already a Joomla site so URTV has everything it needs to do what I was talking about. They just need to install the appropriate modules to do what I have been talking about.

    URTV is not utilizing this tool they already have to its maximum potential. It’s pity as they could achieve the transparency they need via http://www.URTVweb.com

  85. So big and bad your comments are when you hide behind an alias.

    I think that everyone who has a comment should be who they are and not hide behind an avatar.

    We want to see who it is that stabs us in the back.

    Shameless promotion…. yup…. I have no shame…. Why do anything if you are going to have shame? It dilutes the excitement of shock value.

  86. Glolady:

    Not meaning to be mean or anything but why are you so insistent for individuals use their birth name rather then a pen name? Throughout history people have used pen names. Mark Twain comes to mind very quickly whose real name was Samuel Clemmons. Radio station personalities, Television host like you, newspaper journalist and bloggers frequently use a pen or stage name. TalkAsheville was full of members with usernames which is the same principal. No one knew who Ashvegas was until a short while ago. You also use a pseudonym as your name sake. Would it not be better to sit back and objectively look at the suggestions and constructive criticism? Continually demanding a person reveal their identity, slinging mud, doubting a persons words, calling someone a racist or a liar as a lot of URTV members seem to have throughout this thread to others only creates more anger and solves nothing. I have looked at what Sundance has said and he makes a very valid point. Sundance is correct in regards to The URTV website. It is a php based content management system which would allow URTV to achieve the transparency it is going to have to have to survive. Don Yelton, Dr. Blackwell, Tim Peck and an attorney on these threads have also made very valid points as to the illegalities the URTV board is doing. There have been a lot of great suggestions and comments in these threads related to URTV from the public that could help URTV through the growing pains it is currently having if the members of URTV would just listen.


  87. “We want to see who it is that stabs us in the back.”

    But, dear, you already know who is stabbing you in the back. You know her name. You know what she looks like. And you know where her office is.

  88. Out of bad comes good…. the sooner we see it the faster we heal.

    I can only share my experience and URTV from the inside looks and shows constant improvement over the past two years.

    There have been bitter X-whatever verbally attack the personnel at URTV and I see it is because of personality conflicts and not for job performance.

    Even with all the demands for transparency and and and there are some who will not be content until Pat is removed. Why?

  89. R.Bernier

    “I have told Pat Garlinghouse to her face that she needs to be filming the board meetings herself, and broadcasting them unedited”
    “Matt Howard”

    Thank you for asking our current exective director at URTV this question, what was her answer? Seeing that you are seeking to be seated on the board of URTV, do you feel you could work with the current ED based on her remarks about filming?

    When the ED says “NO” you cant film & air the meetings & “No” I will not open my books for you to review – then how will you deal with this?

    This has been asked to her direct & she has been a roadblock of making this happen – why??

    We are at a place that we didnt need to be but we are. This is not a middle of the road issue here, its a simple right or wrong responce needed here.

    My remarks are based on URTV ByLaws & Open Board Meeting Laws of NC –

    Did the Board and Exective Director break URTV Bylaws,OBMLs,City & County resolutions? The Board has a job to do & based on the facts they have failed.

    I will stand by the facts, after all its all on video. Its now clear to see were the problem is when you watch the videos.

    Please try to confirm that the ED will be at the next board meeting – she failed to show at the last board meeting because she didnt want to faces all the issues.

    By the way, URTV had a person filming but it was never showed on URTV,why? When a producer uses URTV eqpt for a project they are required to turn in a dvd product, however the outspoken Dale Joyner failed to air this meeting – why?

  90. Sundance


    Not airing the filming appears to be nothing new just like the minutes to meetings vanishing into thin air.

    Additionally, the idea I have suggested numerous times on this thread and in the past of using their website to achive transparency has been continually ignored and brushed under the carpet to be hidden from all.

    The URTV website is already capable of providing video, group level membership access for items such as P&L;statements, forums, etc as it is a Joomla based Content Management System with very roboust features and if there Joomla system does not have the features and functions they need Joomla offers plugins to just about do anything you want. Most of the plugins/mods are free but there are paid versions as well and if there is not a plugin available their are scores of developers that will write one for them.

    The honest truth of the matter, from my perspective, is these folks don’t want transparency or want to face the facts that there are “Real” problems at URTV. They hope that by ignoring suggestions from members, previous members who were run off, and everyday citizens it will just go away. They just want to brush all the dirt and skeletons under the rug in an effort to hide it from plain view.

    What URTV members and supporters need to realize is that eventually that bump in the middle of the rug becomes very noticable by all due to pile of skeletons and dirt being hidden under the rug.

    The problem will not go away by ignoring it….it will just get worse and eventually lead to no more URTV.

  91. Sundance

    Hmmmm…not meaning to be facetious Glolady but perhaps a trip to the eye doctor might be in order for you as I think you might be having difficulty determining the difference between a door and a rug.

    Not making honest attempts to fix the problems and flaws at URTV, not following the governing bylaws of URTV, not taking suggestions at face value, not following NC public meeting rules and not working toward a compromise with others who have been wronged by URTV to put an end to the storm of controversy is the same as brushing the skeletons and dirt under the rug rather then sweeping it out the door.

  92. R.Bernier

    Glow One (Lisa),
    Its easy to see the direction you are coming from which is a large blind spot & self searving for yourself in your productions at URTV.

    I stand firm on the facts, as you know I am open to come on any shows at URTV,which includes yours however Im sure you would rather close the door & not deal with the facts & truths.

    Hey, here is a better ideal get a fourm with all parties & go live. When you know you are right then you will make a strong stand & when others hide without making any remarks then its clear who is at fault.


    The fourm might be a bad ideal because they cant even comply with Open Board Meeting Laws but you try if you were not holding the door to get you own way.

  93. Sundance

    R. Bernier,

    That is one of the points I have made. Using the URTV website they could set up multiple forums as in a producers forum, etc. and restrict certain areas of the site by membership levels and certain items open to the public. They could post meeting minutes, financial statements, shows after they have aired, televised board meetings and a lot more to achieve transparency. In the past I have been told that the website is not capable of it but the source code reveals it is a Joomla CMS site so it is very capable of of everything I mentioned and more.

  94. How sad people see me through their own egos and eyes. Become members and then take all the classes to become certified to produce your own TV show with that format. I do not have time for the personality piddly squat. Or make arrangements with Citizen Speaks as that is more his format.

    My self serving ways are trying to Revolutionize the US economy using the profits to heal the disease and decay in Society. I do not need my TV show to inflate my ego because my show is not about me it is about the people that I can inspire to be the change in their Community. Not by complaining but through action.

    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I do not want to clean up the disaster that can be avoided.

    As technical internet hijacking is more commonly in the news… would this disclosure be like looking up someone’s dress to see what kind of underwear they are wearing? That is kinda rude is it not?

  95. Richard Bernier

    Rude or just stupid, stupid is as stupid does – now again Lisa, do you think any violations has occured?

    Do you think the currect power structure has been open & being upfront on all sides?

    I assume you will not answer but I thought I would try to see were you are coming from since you are at holding the door open.


  96. Bjorn

    It’s ironic that the executive committee voted to remove Richard Bernier and Davyne Dial because they want transparency at a public access station. Isn’t that what Public Access fundamentally is all about?

  97. urtv had a web page that was working well.. it had back pages for members ,and they could contact each other,to work on shows together and stuff.
    .when pat took over,she shut that down,making it hard for members to get in contact with each other..and that was one of the first things she did…..that is why the yahoo group was started..then the urtv forum was started to draw members away from yahoo,and give control back to pat.all of this stuff is not just by chance….now if you need to get in touch with members,good luck…maybe pat will give you the email list.. ,I think not…

  98. Sundance

    GloLady, if you were to do your research you would see that hacking primarily happens on servers or websites that do not keep up with secirity protocals.

    First, If you hade even bothered going to http://www.joomla.org before begining your pody mouth tyrant, typical behavior of yours again, without the facts you would have seen they release patches to keep there CMS scripts safe.

    Second, the URTV website is already Joomla. Has it ever been hacked since you are a member?

    Third, the disclosure issue is easy. I believe it is in the URTV bylaws that they have to and additionally, URTV is required under law to do so. My suggestion is you read up on laws and bylaws governing non profit organizations.

    Now Glolady, your continued behavior on these threads has demonstrated that you are an absolute fake and flake. You may think your show is centered on the idea of your quote:
    “My self serving ways are trying to revolutionize the US economy using the profits to heal the disease and decay in Society” but you, yourself no your show practice this in reality. Please remove your rose colored sunglasses and return to the “Real” world when you address individuals on these forums.

    “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I do not want to clean up the disaster that can be avoided”.

    I don’t know why you said this because you have no intention of practicing or preventing anything. You avoided the issues festering at URTV since your humble beginnings in an effort to fulfill your self serving interests. You have continually thrown road blocks in the way of folks trying to fix the problems and from the public who have given suggestions on how to heal URTV and when that has not worked you attack folks on these threads while shaking your baby rattle frantically. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

    Well don’t worry if URTV goes down the tubes from lack of public support and interest you can always start your own YouTube channel but then you would have to allow for public comment and scrutiny which is something you do well with.

  99. Sundance


    “start your own YouTube channel but then you would have to allow for public comment and scrutiny which is something you do well with.”

    It should be:

    “start your own YouTube channel but then you would have to allow for public comment and scrutiny which is something YOU DO NOT HANDLE AND DO WELL WITH.”

  100. R.Bernier

    Rude quests I think not, however this again shows your lame attempt not to address the facts. You again fail to give your thoughts of my questions above, maybe thats a sign you could not face the the facts on live tv.

    Try being direct Lisa, when you are right you will stand firm.


    PS: Your video with Chris is a clear example of being self serving & fails to address the actions that has placed URTV were it is today.

  101. Sundance

    Hahaha…GloLady your elevetor is stuck between floors and incapable of being fixed. For your information you did indeed invite me to come on your show and thank god I had enough sense to never appear on it.

    As in rudeness Lisa, I see you still have not taken that trip to the eye doctor to have your vision corrected. If you had, you would be able to go back through the threads and objectively read them and see you are the first one who cast stones at many on here.

    Additionally how hypocritical of you to carry this onto other forums of media when it was you hollaring about the negative press URTV is receiving. You accused others of starting and spreading the negativity but in reality it is you yourself.

    I now stand by my assumption that you are a fake, a phoney and a flake. Like I said GloLady, you are the individuals who are throwing up road blocks to fixing the problems because you, Pat, Ralph and a select few others over there are the problem.

    You have gone from 600 members to 200 members. Now at $75 a head that is a lot less revenue to support the station which means the hypocritical self serving interst at URTV such as yourself will eventually be coming to the general public asking for a handouts….

    I hope everybody in the general public of WNC adopts and sticks to the stance of no books, no transparency, no true oversight….means no more money for the pathetic self serving selish individuals, like yourself.

    Lisa…you do not Glow at all, everybody can see from your actions on these threads that you are incapable of it. You are simply a Black hole or vampire that sucks the positive energy out of others to fulfill your own self serving selfish interests and then you cast them aside or run them off just like you are trying to do with a board member you elected!

    Now, run along and go find someone else to believe in your fake persona so you can suck the energy out of them as well.

  102. Sundance

    Lisa I am wondering why it so often appears that the board caters, answers and cowers to the ED when in most scenarios the executive director is held accountable to the board, answers to the board, carries out the boards orders, obeys the bylaws and serves at the board and memberships pleasure?

    This has not been going on at URTV if you read the above link I gave you and additional minutes of board meetings. Does this not appear odd and out of place to you or are you just that narrow minded and blind?

  103. Sundance

    Also Lisa if you read all the information in the link I posted on this thread you will see Pat does not intend to solve the financial mismanagement rather she intends to go back to the county and city for more public money and I for one will be a very loud opponent of that.

    The only way I will support additional funding is for the current two members you are trying to rid of remain on the board and the ED, board President, secretary and treasurer resign their positions. The county and city could each appoint one board member to the board but the President, Treasurer, and secretary would have to be voted into place by the membership. There would also have to be total financial transparency and an independent accountant would keep the books.

    Otherwise no public money at all!!!!

  104. Sundance

    Lisa just wanted to let you that since you wanted to expand this to other avenues I gave the folks your I-Report some links to the factual information rather then your nonfactual hot air you decided to publish on I-Report

  105. Matt Howard

    I look away for a few days thinking this was done.

    OK Richard: I dont remember what exactly Pat said when I told her that URTV should take ownership of the issue and film the board meetings. If I recall correctly it was more of a head gesture suggesting she was pondering it. In a conversation I had with Dale Joyner, she said Pat personally asked her to film the last meeting, so there she was. As to where is it? I have no flipping idea.

    Can I work with her? As a rule I try to work with everyone until my own personal experience proves impossible otherwise. You want to know how I would deal with this? For a start this wednsday I will attend the special meeting and vote to keep Davyne.

    Since you feel the need to try to call me out, my turn:

    WPVM’s crap hit the public fan 4-5 months earlier than URTV’s. Being a WPVM volunteer as well, I was seeing the shockwaves of stress and disfunction that a very public conflict was sending through the place. After the january board meeting I was frequently saying in conversation “I hope URTV dosent end up in the mountain xpress like WPVM”.

    It did. You put it there, being the one who went to David Gantt and talking to the press.

    True enough, at best the oath was a shortsighted gesture, at worst an attempt at control. But you could have brought this up at the board retreat. I obviously wasent there, but my understanding was that it was a completely informal structure, and no one would have been able to say “that’s not on the agenda”. Even if you didnt have faith in the success of doing that, you could have gone through the motions of addressing your concerns to the faces of the people you had concerns with, and if that didnt work, then gone above Pat’s head. If nothing else, it puts you in the position of saying you tried to be reasonable.

    The nuclear option should not be the first resort.

  106. Sundance

    that’s fine Matt but what about the current board meeting minutes not be made available on the the site, what about the accounting error from 2007 that Peter presented and asked for additional information so the books would be accurate in which Pat Failed to fix. What about the money not being spent loaclly and going to Texas? The computer training and consulting with all due respect there is a pretty large firm in the Asheville that builds out systems, maintains them and consults but over $24,000 left the local economy and went to friends of Pat’s in Texas.

    I’m glad your voting the way you are and hopefully many others will do the same and hopefully some of the “real” bad apples instead of Bernier and Dail will be removed and the board won’t continue to be a “Yes” Pat board as the Main board was for Wally until it had no choice but to act.

    With regard to Bernier and Dail and Peter, who was forced out, they were only trying to act on behalf of the public’s interest and turn URTV back into what it was orginally set up to be by having transparencey.

    Despite several folks telling me URTV does not receive public funding in all actuality it does as the PEG funds go to the city and county and then proceeds are given to URTV. Since the PEG funds come from governmental sources in essence it is public money which is one of the reasons the management agreement between the city and URTV requires transparency, disclosure and obeying open meeting laws.

    If you guys want to be completely private that all fine with me but then you need to do your own fund raising via a telethon like PBS or something and not take PEG funding.

    I hope you understand my point and the points of others on this thread. We offered suggestions and constructive critism and were attacked so we defended ourselves.

  107. “You put it there, being the one who went to David Gantt”

    I also went to David Gantt. And most likely will again.

    Thanks Davyne. At least someone is looking out for URTV’s best interest.

  108. “Matt: True enough, at best the oath was a shortsighted gesture, at worst an attempt at control. But you could have brought this up at the board retreat.”

    Matt, the “oath” was a nebulously worded instrument that had it stood, would have been used immediately to remove us. They have been trying to remove us since they realized we were not willing to be mere yes-men and were insisting that bylaws be adhered to; and answer as to why the to declining membership, why the wholesale removal of minutes, secrecy over the membership list, on and on. Garlinghouse was instructed back in Nov. of ’07 by the executive committee, to be much more specific in the reporting of spending…and she has never complied. That is evidenced on a recent link on one of these comment boards, to PDF of that treasurers report. There are so many red flags on the field it looks like a sea of poppies in bloom.

  109. Sundance

    whatever Glolady…you still never answered any of the questions posed to you on these threads and I doubt you answered them on your show and why would we want to watch and hear the same old song you have sung over and over and over and over….its like a vinyl album that has seen its better days and its awful funny that you extend the invitation to us to be on brother Chris’ show after it has already happened as you posted after 8pm on friday night, how convienant on your part….LMAO!

  110. R.Bernier

    I am ashamed of the lack of concern to address the violations of members of the Board of Directors & the knowledge of the current Exective Director based on recent events ocurring at URTV.

    Actions and the lack of actions speaks for themselfs.

    I recall some thread saying “I was next” – great, does that mean you will provide me a fourm to debate you direct in a public fourm were you will be asked questions??


    If the current ED asked a member to film the Board Meeting then why has it not aired?? One might think that this person wanted to watch it in private & not attend the meeting that is part of her duties as (current) ED.
    (Ralph, why is this not on TV???)

  111. sundance,i must say,you have insight..
    i would love to come back to urtv,and produce a show called (urtv board meeting live) ,every month…i would love to set it up in studio a ,every month,and i know i could find people to crew the show,if i were producing it..i also know that richard and davyne would support the show 100%..i bet i could even get don on a camera..and we could make every one on the board look like stars…
    “it’s the urtv clam board.. don’t miss the big fight.., and in this corner,weighing in at 380lb we have ralph,exct…”maybe a band..i love it..
    but the thing is that the truth is that every one needs to show up at the meeting,to vote to keep richard,and davyne,just to show the public that urtv is for openness,and playing by the rules…

  112. Like duh… think you have enough time till next Friday?

    Sundance… I Wish You Well!

    How sad that money for more upgrades to URTV has to be spent on Lawyers fees to settle a dispute by those of devious actions.

  113. “How sad that money for more upgrades to URTV has to be spent on Lawyers fees to settle a dispute by those of devious actions.”

    Yes, why do the board and the Executive Director perpetrate devious actions that cost URTV valuable resources and time and threaten its very existence?

  114. Sundance

    “Like duh… think you have enough time till next Friday?

    Sundance… I Wish You Well!

    Like duh…Glolady why on earth would I even want to appear on one of your shows after the fact as the vote will have already happened and how pathetic that you folks don’t want to show both sides equaly…you know fair and balanced, maybe you should give that a try sometime Glolady, opps I forgot that your to narrow minded for that…LMAO

    I have better things to spend $600 bucks on then to come back to Asheville and be on a non objective show.

  115. Sundance

    “How sad that money for more upgrades to URTV has to be spent on Lawyers fees to settle a dispute by those of devious actions.”

    Like duh, Glolady……if you folks would have obeyed your bylaws, management contract with the city and your articles of incorportaion you would not be having all those legal fees or have this problem to begin with, would you Glolady?

    Nay, I take that back. You have Pat spending every penny your resources on her friends in Texas without any oversight.

    Lisa, could you please show us some sign of intelligence on your part?

  116. i think that pat should pay for her lawyers fees,not urtv…shouldn’t things like this be approved by the board..did they vote on it,or is it just pat spending more of urtv money??

  117. Sundance

    Oh Dr. Blackwell…I’m sure it just Pat spending money without any oversight and it will get worse if Richard and Davyne are not kept on that board. Without them that so called board will become a “yes, whatever you want to do Pat” group of cowards.

  118. elaneon

    Since Ms. Joyner used URTV equipment she is obligated to show the meeting she filmed on URTV at some point in the near future. When does Mr. Czarny usually start fining people for non-compliance? After about a month?

  119. It is my understanding that a membership meeting was announced on the URTV website up to the date of the meeting. I, as a member of the public entitled to attend, received no notice of any change to the meeting schedule. When I arrived to attend the meeting as a member of the public, no meeting was called to order, no chairman announced any changes to the scheduled meeting, and no voice vote of the membership was taken at a properly announced and convened membership meeting. There is no provision in the bylaws that allows a secret ballot.

    I consider this a further violation of the public trust and yet another attempt on the part of certain URTV factions to deceive the public and the membership and once again skirt the rules of proper procedure.

    I conclude that no membership meeting took place and any poll taken throughout the day or at the time of the previously scheduled meeting carries no force. Therefore, the membership of board member Davyne Dial reverts to the ‘status quo ante.’ Nothing has changed.

  120. good work people,now see what you get.. you loose your votes on the board..when will you wake up ,and see what is going on,and who will stop it now ???

    changing the status of the producer Board members to ex-Officio or non-voting members

    On Thu, 5/14/09, Pat Garlinghouse wrote:

    From: Pat Garlinghouse From: H Goosmann
    To: Jerry Young
    Cc: Pat Garlinghouse ; Bennie Lake
    Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:48 PM
    Subject: Nominating Committee By-Laws review


    Per your request the nominating committee has reviewed the URTV By-laws and made a revision to update them based upon the need as stated by our legal counsel. Please find a draft version of this revision attached to this email.

    Please distribute the updated by-laws to the entire Board such that we can vote on the changes at next weeks Board meeting. I ask that each Board member review them beforehand and email me questions such that we can address any question/concern by the meeting. I am asking that we front load this such that research can be done if needed.

    Last, I ask that each Board member take their time and review this revision carefully. There are some substantial updates suggested. Primarily in the membership category, the number of Board members, by changing the status of the producer Board members to ex-Officio or non-voting members, and by reorganizing the committees. Every effort was made to retain the essence and integrity of the original bylaws. There are good reasons for each of the changes and other suggested updates, and I look forward to a discussion by the full Board.


  121. Sundance

    Hmmmmm…interesting Dr. Blackwell….and GloLady aka LiarLady now you have zero voice at URTV if this plan goes threw. Are you happy now! You voted out one of the few board members who would have stood up for you, the membership, and voted against this measure. I hope your happy with yourself because you just shot yourself in the foot because you will basically have no voice or free speech whatsoever once this happens!

  122. sundance ,you have hit the nail on the head..when urtv started it had no member-board members,because it had no members..later they began to put members on the board,so the members(who know what it is like to be a member)could help the board out ,with there input…now days when a member makes a suggestion,they are just ignored..
    case in point,at a board meeting ,months ago,a member asked if they could get caller id on the phone in studio-a,so they could block obscene calls before they got on the air… this is a very little thing,but it would be a big help to members,trying to do call in shows… i ran into the member who asked for this,the other day,and he told me that the ed said it was just not financially feasible to do this…
    multiply this by every little thing that could work for members,and you start to see the picture of how things are being run…
    no wonder 2/3s of the membership have just gone away.. at this point mostly the dregs remain..soon that will be all… people who know what they are doing,get tired of being treated like dirt,and just go away ,or some try to fix things..
    you can see this here

  123. ok.. i will go back and try to get things back on the good foot…forget the slights of the past and move on..
    i agreed that this has all gotten out of hand and there needs to be a clean slate… let it start with me… i have re-upped my membership,and hope to start producing very soon..
    now, lets all get back on the good foot..
    if we will all work together ,i know we can do it… come on now,lets all give it a try.. good foot,good foot,get down,get back on the good foot..

  124. come to the meeting monday,at urtv,and see the next”bad”board member get kicked off..
    2 out of 3 member elected board members,have been kicked off…now richard is next.. what makes anyone think that it will stop now… as soon as someone on the board starts to see that things are funny,they will be kicked off,and it all starts over.. they can not even keep the board full,because they kick them off,faster than they can put them on..
    what is up with that ?? dose pat think that now that she has gotten her new bylaws(taking all the power away from the members)in place,that every thing will be ok,and all board members in future will dance to the tune as it is called,like these do?? i think she may have a hard time finding 11 people who will all dance to the same tune at the same time.. that has been the case so far..it’s just to hard to dance,with out getting out of step some times,and the next time someone dose,she will need to kick them off..

  125. Tues. June 9, 2009

    Dear Mr Blackwell,

    Please be advised that your recent request to be a participating member of URTV and use of the facility is denied due to: failure to accept responsibility for following the Rules and Procedures of URTV and repeated abuse of URTV equipment and staff.

  126. Sundance

    how in the hell did he abuse the equipment when he is the only person over there that ever repaired the equipment after Pat’s little mindless drones broke it. This is just stupid and ridiculous. Matt do you approve of this crap….are you going to continue to allow John to be screwed over? You know this is wrong. Why aren’t you doing something about this BS?

    How many shows did John help you with?

  127. Let’s see….

    John Blackwell virtually set up Studio B to easily facilitate live shows (offically named Studio Blackwell at last Junes mediafest) by Garlinghouse. Then two months later was suspended for 30 days.He did indeed yell at Pat, when she locked him out just prior to his time to do a live show , thus pressuring him to react to her increasingly difficult demands. I was there and know exactly how she played mind games on him and loved every minute of it. He’s done his time for the infraction she mentions in the letter. He did put much sweat equity into getting URTV going, and was used extensively by staff (jonathon) when she wasn’t around to keep URTV on the air.

    Other members have harassed, slandered and damaged an expensive camera lens of fellow members, one has made innapropriate sexual advances and regularly smokes pot on the premises. Why aren’t they banned from the premises??????

    Looks like favoratism and descrimination to me.

  128. Piffy!

    I just read this entire thread. Lots of good info.

    Hard to tell who to believe. It would appear to me, though, that those above engaging in personal attack seem to really discredit their “side”.

    At this point, I tend to think there is at least a grain of truth in regards to Garlinghouse, but both “sides” really dont seem to present an entirely convincing point.
    The name-calling and ad hom distractions really only serve to discredit whatever points the poster may be presenting.

  129. some people have asked me to post all of the letter ,i got back from pat..

    Tues. June 9, 2009

    Dear Mr Blackwell,

    Please be advised that your recent request to be a participating member of URTV and use of the facility is denied due to: failure to accept responsibility for following the Rules and Procedures of URTV and repeated abuse of URTV equipment and staff. You may, if you choose, use your membership to submit DVDs made elsewhere. If you choose not to submit programming, we will gladly refund your membership fee.

    Please refer to the Rules and Operating Procedures document.

    III. Rules, Violations and Loss of Privileges
    A. Definitions and Limitations
    3. Any producer who engages in activities in the URTV facility that are harassing, threatening, purposefully detrimental or damaging to another producer, URTV staff member, or URTV resources will be asked to leave the building.

    C. Violations of the Rules and Procedures
    1. The following are considered major violations;
    a. Abuse, vandalism or failure to safeguard equipment and facilities, and, any, and all abusive treatment to URTV staff as stated in Section III.A.3. of URTV’s
    Rules and Operating Procedures document.

    Your commercial programming violation included words to the following: “we know that we shouldn’t say this but we will anyway.” You still do not accept your responsibility for the cancellation of your show and you have not made an appointment to speak with me.

    Please check the Rules and Procedures to avail yourself of the appeal and grievance procedure. See Section III.D.

    Very truly yours,

    Pat Garlinghouse
    Executive Director
    cc: URTV Operations Committee Chair

  130. BuncombeReportsURTVbroke NC OBMS

    Buncombe County has now confirmed that URTV broke open meeting laws of North Carolina. This came down just a few days ago.
    (July 2010)

    The Board of Directors also failed to keep proper mins from their meetings – not sure who the person was that was to do this, does anyone know?

    Members should know this – members get ready to pay more.

    More to come, im sure.

  131. “The Board of Directors also failed to keep proper mins from their meetings – not sure who the person was that was to do this, does anyone know?”

    Ralph Roberts Sept ’08 through May ’09 …….then no one for a while…then Eddie Cassada.

  132. Opps…hit the submit button too soon. Prior to the election of Mr. Roberts (July ’07 and backwards to the official opening in July’o6) to the position…the former secretries took and posted copious and informtive notes.

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