The URTV board of directors will vote on new board members in a special meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) at 4:30 p.m. in URTV’s studios, according to a notice on the public-access channel’s Web site.
The brief agenda for the meeting does not state how many board members will be appointed or who the nominees may be. A recent overhaul of the bylaws expanded the board by two board-appointed members, to a total of 13 directors. The move also comes on the heels of the dismissal of Board member Richard Bernier.
As Bernier had been appointed to his seat by the board, this means that up to three new board members could be appointed tomorrow.
The new appointments come at a critical time, as the last few months have seen sometimes contentious debates over the station’s direction and the transparency of its management, along with the removal of two board members — Bernier and Davyne Dial, who was ousted in a vote by the URTV membership. URTV’s management agreements with the city of Asheville and Buncombe County are up for renewal in 2010, and the PEG funds (a fee charged to cable subscribers to help fund public access) that provide much of its revenue may dry up if Charter Communications loses its cable monopoly in the area.
Another seat, this one appointed by the city of Asheville, was also opened with the end of board member Sandra Bradbury‘s term. Longtime URTV producer Dale Joyner has been nominated for the seat, but at its last meeting, Asheville City Council chose to delay the appointment so its Boards and Commissions Committee could examine board unrest.
Supporters of the station’s management have said that operations have vastly improved during their tenure, that Dial and Bernier weren’t dealing with their concerns through proper channels and that their actions have harmed URTV’s public image. The two former board members, along with their supporters, have said that they were trying to bring needed attention to issues of transparency and membership.
The URTV Board of Directors will meet at 4:30 p.m. in Studio A, located at 31 College Pl., Suite 20.
— David Forbes, staff writer
Gosh David,
Thank you so much for once again re-hashing this little drama club’s talking points!
Also providing them with yet another thread for them to go on and on for ANOTHER week!!!
It’s really amazing that Mr Forbes chooses to re-hash this every week but won’t touch the dictatorial control Wally Bowen has put in place over at WPVM.
Seriously, look at the Express’s home page and see if you can find a single blurb about WPVM.
I couldn’t.
URTV member:
You can find Xpress’ coverage of WPVM here:
http://www.mountainx.com/topics/find/WPVM
And we’ll have a new article about the station in tomorrow’s issue.
Is anyone taking issues with the illegal expansion of the board? The board was limited to 11 members with two appointed by the county and city each. This is a sure way to get themselves shutdown.
Hmmmm, lookie what we found. A similar behavior regarding finances as has been revealed in news articles found in Austin, Tx. archives. Villareal served as Garlinghouses fiscal officer before he became the Executive Director after she left. Garlinghouse refused access to the finances and subsequently Board Chair Jerry Young of Trinity Baptist
Church, “suspended” a board member Dial for asking to view the books more closely. Similarly to what is documented below.
Then Dial was ousted in an improperly conducted manner of dismissal from URTV’s board, Aparently for asking too many questions.
http://www.mountainx.com/news/2009/050609buzz4
“Community Access Center appoints chief
BYLINE: Diane Holloway
DATE: November 25, 1997
PUBLICATION: Austin American-Statesman (TX)
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Lifestyle
PAGE: E4
Community Access Center appoints chief By Diane Holloway American-Statesman staff
Ending a three-month search, Austin Community Access Center has appointed John Villarreal as the new executive director.–Villarreal, who served as its interim executive director and fiscal officer, replaces Pat Garlinghouse, who was executive director for three years before leaving in September to take charge of Houston’s Access Cable Corp.
Villarreal, an Austin native, graduated from the University of Texas in 1982 and served in the U.S. Marines from 1974-1986.
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BYLINE: Steven Kreytak and Sarah Coppola, AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
DATE: February 3, 2006
PUBLICATION: Austin American-Statesman (TX)
SECTION: News
An arrest warrant has been issued for the former director of Austin’s community access cable TV stations, who is accused of stealing more than $350,000 from the city-supported nonprofit.
John Villarreal, 51, is wanted for aggregated theft, a first-degree felony punishable by five years to life in prison. According to court documents filed late Wednesday, Villarreal stole the money by making 94 unauthorized withdrawals from the Austin Community Access Center’s accounts from January 2000 to September 2004.
Villarreal had not been arrested late Thursday and could not be reached for comment. His lawyer also could not be reached for comment.
Prosecutors said no one else at the nonprofit is suspected of wrongdoing.
The center ran the city’s cable access channels for three decades before losing the $617,000-a-year contract last year.
Those channels — 10, 11 and 16 on Time Warner and Grande Communications cable in Austin — feature citizen programming, including religious services, late-night rap videos and footage of protests as activists rail against the war in Iraq.
The court records said Villarreal was hired in December 1993 as the center’s fiscal officer and was promoted to executive director in 1999. In September 2004, a producer at the center reported financial irregularities to city auditors, the records said.
“Board member Sharon Brady stated that one of the ACAC accounts should have had a balance of $36,000 but that Villarreal had reported a balance of only $3,000,” according to the records. “Brady became suspicious after she asked Villarreal several times for a more detailed accounting of the bank accounts and he failed to provide one.”
The city auditor’s office began an investigation, and Villarreal resigned in December 2004. The next month, city auditors reported the suspected embezzlement to Austin police, who sought help from the white collar crime unit at the Travis County district attorney’s office, the records said.
Investigators learned that the access station at one time hired an accounting firm to prepare annual audit reports to the city, but the firm stopped doing the reports in 1995, according to the records.
Villarreal, who was in charge of submitting annual audits after that, is accused of preparing and submitting at least one audit — in 2003 — that he represented to be from the accounting firm. That audit report contained bogus numbers, the records said.
Villarreal is accused of withdrawing $45,943 in cash from the nonprofit’s accounts and also diverting $308,577 into his personal bank accounts, according to court papers. It is unclear what happened to the money.
Assistant District Attorney Patty Robertson, chief of the office’s white collar crime unit, said the charges against Villarreal end the investigation.
The charge caps a rocky couple of years at the city’s public-access channels. The board endured steady criticism from producers about the stations’ content and future, and several board members resigned after the city and district attorney began investigating Villarreal.
After a standard contract rebidding last year, the city hired a new management group, Public Access Community Television.
Linda Litowsky, co-director of the new group, said it has hired an independent bookkeeper and will hire an independent public accountant to audit its books.
Public Access Community Television also has a six-member board that includes former longtime City Council Member Jackie Goodman, Litowsky said.
Austin’s chief financial officer, John Stephens, said the city’s contract with the public-access stations is one of a few in which the city provides most or all of a nonprofit’s operating budget. The city funds part of the budgets of several other nonprofit groups, including 55 social-service agencies, he said.
Stephens said the city isn’t finished negotiating the $617,500 contract, but it will include tougher provisions such as requiring the group to submit monthly reconciled bank statements.
“There will be a better trail for us to track the money,” he said.
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With all respect, Mr. Elliston, that’s begging the question. Most of the producers at URTV feel that Mr. Forbes and MountainX are engaged in a vendetta of vilification against us. Look at the sheer numbers of these “non news” slanted articles spewing from Mr. Forbes’ poison pen when there is much more significant news happening in Asheville. I also agree with URTV Member that you are giving Wally a pass and bludgeoning us.
And how many more names are you going to allow Peter Brezny to post under.
In short, MountainX is screwing URTV for not good reason, and that is the opinion of many of us.
To Johnny L. “Crazy Peter” House, Jr.: That’s REALLY reaching, Peter. Finances at URTV are vetted each year by an outside CPA and we have Eagle-Eye Joe, our treasurer, continuously checking. Making the unfounded accusations you throw forth is actionable.
To Jon Elliston: allowing this constant vilification to be posted by Brezney, et al is also actionable. Look up the legal term ‘vilification.’ It’s right next to ‘libel’ and ‘slander.’
And, by the way, the consistent use of URTV’s logo on such articles of these is not only vilification but also in violation of the Federal Copyright Law: Title 18, U.S. Code.
Give us a break, Jon… put Forbes on a chain for awhile.
Thank you.
Peter Brezney (aka Johnny L House Jr, aka Sundance, aka Mountain Man, aka Illuminati, aka Festus, plus any others I’ve left out)
instead of these daily attacks, you really should rejoin URTV and do a documentary about your views.
You know that is what public access is all about don’t you? I believe you lost sight of that when you got caught up in this personal vendetta you have. (that David Forbes seems more than happy to provide you with a weekly public forum for)
I would honestly like to see your perspective.
I always liked the videos you submitted.
This is an honest observation Tim.
Before you accuse me of an ‘ad hominem’ attack.
Most of the producers at URTV feel that Mr. Forbes and MountainX are engaged in a vendetta of vilification against us. Look at the sheer numbers of these “non news” slanted articles spewing from Mr. Forbes’ poison pen when there is much more significant news happening in Asheville. I also agree with URTV Member that you are giving Wally a pass and bludgeoning us.
read: Stop focusing attention on the highly dubious activities of the URTV board and look at some other much smaller scandal!
NOTHING TO SEE HERE LALALALALALA!
With all due respect “URTV Member” and “Also URTV Memeber” there is one major difference between URTV and WVPM. Although both are non profits WVPM raises their own funds and URTV receives public funding to operate. The two of you and others just can not seem to grasp those facts.
It is the illegal and unprofessional actions along with censure of individuals first amendment rights from the URTV board and its membership that have angered the public, not Dail, not Bernier, not David Forbes, not Peter or Sundance who you falsely and scandalously claimed to be Peter. Your childish behavior and attempt to vent on the Mountain X only further demonstrates to the public that URTV is an experiment gone wrong and should be closed.
I just love how you folks at URTV make yourself look like idiots by claiming I am someone I am not. It only continues to demonstrate to the public the incompetence of URTV’s Management, board and the “mindless drone part of the membership faithful to Pat that would literally follow off a cliff and when your agreements are up for renewal that is just what is going to happen…bye bye URTV.
“URTV Member and “Also URTV Member”….you folks dug your own grave for URTV on this issue….not the Mountain X or the posters on these threads.
Spot on, Mr. Bobaloo
Oh my, “actionable”, sounds like a threat.
I say, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The same behavior in Austin as exhibited by the ED here, hmmm???????????
“Actionable” is a recourse in the case of malicious lies to damage someone. Can you verify the Executive Director has been forthcoming with NC Open Records? Produced credit card receipts and files, provided a solid accounting of how cash is being managed? She has not and everyone knows it, City / County,Brezney, the rubberstamping Board, Jerry Young of Trinity Baptist….it began when Brezney got suspicious and he was quickly run off, and continues to this day. Wonder where it will all end?????
URTV Member, go peddle your “Koolaid” where folks are drinking it. We ain’t partaking it here.
so,if garlinghouse has nothing to hide,why not lay it all out on the table for all to see,books,receipts,files,and all ??
i think something’s up.. i smell a rat..yes a rat,a big fat rat… can you smell it ?? big fat ratzilla..
James Wilson said “there is one major difference between URTV and WVPM. Although both are non profits WVPM raises their own funds”
Wally Bowen created WPVM as a grant magnet for MAIN. True they did onair fund raisers, I helped with one. But much of the money raised after the last fund raiser went toward paying MAIN’s bills, not WPVM.
With all due respect Matt there is a ton of difference between grants and money following out of public coffers. It is not the same at all. VPM operates under the MAIN banner so if we want to be nit picky they are one in the same
As for grants I have helped with applying for them in the past with some organizations and a lot of them have few restrictions so long as you stay somewhat within your original proposal. URTV is bound by a management agreement with the county and city and it appears to have been disregarded and not obeyed by URTV. The management agreement that URTV agreed to clearly states that URTV receives public funding which means the PEG funds are public.
URTV management, some board members using alias and regular members are not comparing apples to apples when it comes to VPM and URTV. It is actually more like apples to peanuts.
Matt, did it ever occur to anyone at URTV that if Garlinghouse, the board and management would just come “clean” and answer all questions honestly and lay everything on the table like Dr. Blackwell is suggesting rather then try to hide, obstruct and continually lie that all of this might vanish?
The truth will set you free and URTV needs to start telling it to the Mountain X and everybody else. I have always considered you and Dr. Blackwell friends in regards to open community media access but this mess going on at URTV is just ridiculous and URTV it is not open access when board members with dissenting opinions are removed for practicing their first amendment rights.
Mr. Howard,
Are you saying that money contributed by supporters did not go to WPVM? How does that make you as a fundraiser, feel?
Mr. Wilson, MountainX would not recognize the truth if it bit them on the butt (which is likely to be happening sooner rather than later) as they heap mistake in coverage upon mistake in coverage.
You will note that Jon Elliston, the supposed editor of this yellow rag, has not replied to statements above.
And speaking of coverage, why has MountainX not commented on Alan Rosanthal (Dayvne Dial’s hired gun) carrying his weapon into Studio A Tuesday night on the Don Yelton show? Taking a loaded gun into a place where passions run high is truly stupid and the host of the show should have taken immediate action instead of the police having to be called.
This paper is, in no small measure, responsible for the current poisonous, unreasonable, ignorant, intolerant, and just plain rant-rant postings by idiots on this site.
With all due respect “Judge Bean” please read the entire thread before posting. John Ellison did comment within this thread when “URTV Member” and “Also URTV Member” whined that the Mountain X was not covering VPM which was just more of the same old smoke screen and diversion tactics, I and others have watched URTV practice throughout this entire ordeal.
Additionally Mountain X would surely print what Pat and URTV had to say, and they have. However, most of what has been stated by URTV management has not passed the test of “truthfulness” when fact checked. URTV could have also presented their side of the story to other media outlets besides the Mountain X and on URTV but chose not to. Matt had it right when he said URTV needed to take ownership of the issue. Instead of taking ownership, URTV attempted play a “shell game” which ended up as a damaging dismal failure in the public eye.
As for Dial and Don Yelton, I was not aware that had happened but given that Dial’s camera equipment was abused by Dale Joyner (Caught on tape, by the way) and she has been threatened, I would say she is trying protect herself via her second amendment rights, even though I share your view of it being a very stupid action on their part.
Now that we have talked about that insane gun issue would you care talk and clarify the issue that has been discussed on various other threads related to URTV about a convicted and unregistered sex offender walking the hallways of URTV and interacting with children, or that said individuals possession of illegal drugs on the URTV premises and possession of weapons?
see,now more bs, from pat as judge bean.. here come the judge,here come the judge,……next maybe she will be the pope..
lets have a good look at the books…
i think mr.rosanthal is a very nice man ,with a permit.
That concealed weapon story has spread like wildfire in the 2nd amendment crowd. Looks like Mr. “hired gun” was legally carrying. Word is he’s with the feds. Watching the show, I noticed he didn’t get arrested, so he did nothing wrong. Certain responsible citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons.
Well Dr. Blackwell if Pat is indeed Judge Bean then she surely will not have a discussion about Mad Monk aka Brother Sex Offenders violations of the law being that they are BFF’s….lol.
On the gun issue, regardless of weather Mr. Rosanthal had a permit, I have to agree with James Wilson and Judge Bean, it was a stupid thing to do. Additionally since its a public place and publicly funded/semi government corporation it may have been against the law to have a gun on the premises to begin with and if URTV has a sign posted banning weapons it is against the laws….at least I think it is.
“””As for Dial and Don Yelton, I was not aware that had happened but given that Dial’s camera equipment was abused by Dale Joyner (Caught on tape, by the way) and she has been threatened, I would say she is trying protect herself via her second amendment rights, even though I share your view of it being a very stupid action on their part” James Wilson
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James, I need to clarify something. I was not on Don Yelton’s show with a “hired gun.” These people like Judge Bean THINK I have hired Mr. Rosenthal. I have not, and don’t know how he got into the picture. The statement above that I have retained him as my “hired gun body guard” is more smokescreening to avoid the real issues at URTV. Can this get any morte ridiculous?????
“Can this get any morte ridiculous?????”
Who know Davyne but given all the actions I have witnessed from the URTV management, the board and it’s members on these Mountain X threads I would have to say it is highly probable. Stupid, but highly probable.
By the way Judge Bean, Davyne was not even theer or on the show. Just how many more smoke and mirror truth distorting lies do you and others at URTV intend tell. Do you not care what the public thinks of you or URTV.
Just as James Wilson pointed out…..everything you folks over at URTV keep saying is proven false once it is put under a microscope.
By the way, if you are Pat do your self a favor and go rent a U-Haul, pack your things and go back to Texas!!!!!
Can this get any morte ridiculous?????
What an excellent typo.
Aw shucks Bob, thanks.
I did it, caught it, liked it and left it. One of those “happy” accidents.
“That concealed weapon story has spread like wildfire in the 2nd amendment crowd. Looks like Mr. “hired gun” was legally carrying. Word is he’s with the feds. Watching the show, I noticed he didn’t get arrested, so he did nothing wrong. Certain responsible citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons.”
Well its just more of the same lying smoke an mirror game that Garlinghouse, Ralph, Joyner, Jerry, LiarLady and Brother Sex Offender use to try to discredit Dail rather then tell the truth once and for all.
I was not at the studio when this happened. What I do know is that Alan was vervally assaulted when he entered the studio. Not by staff but by another producer. There is no sign saying no weapons allowed. He removed his gun when he was approached by a gentleman who did not yell and screem at him.
You must consider that URTV is a dangerous place when you have a policeperson at the board meetings
and I think that the Mt Xpress may have discovered the reason that the vultures are flying around the non-profit.
Yes look at the links and you will see that there may be big money coming this way as Asheville is a target for leading the battle for adverse life styles.
Remember “It is any way you like it” and that was trademarked by our tax dollars too.
“we have Eagle-Eye Joe, our treasurer, continuously checking. Making the unfounded accusations you throw forth is actionable.”
If that’s the case then perhaps you need to take Joe to the eye doctor and get him a pair of new glasses or just maybe he might need to enroll in some remedial mathmatics courses.
“Mr. Howard,
Are you saying that money contributed by supporters did not go to WPVM? How does that make you as a fundraiser, feel?”
There was a record breaking fundraiser, and six months later things were still breaking down. I honestly cant account for where all the money went. But I do know there are people who recended their pledges. As for how I felt, I was new, and not emotionally invested in WPVM at that point.
On the subject of tax dollars: http://www.mountainx.com/news/2009/070109buzz5
“On the subject of tax dollars: http://www.mountainx.com/news/2009/070109buzz5”
I still don’t think we are comparing apples to apples Matt and what the fuss is about MAIN trying to bring broadband to areas it is not available in. I am no big fan of Wally Bowen and MAIN but folks I know who use his wireless service and even the dail up service are satisfied with it. Wally has been making a push and working on broadband in the area way before Obama and being that it is going to have federal government involvement on a scale not seen before I think will not be able to spend the money as he sees fit.
On the VPM issue, well I already gave my two cents worth that VPM and MAIN are one in the same and did not most of the people who cancealed their pledges do so over Wally’s firing on a popular show host?
Connect the Dots, Folks
All successful institutions have been organized based on the assumption (thank you Samuel Adams ) of human weakness.
Things just work better with a system of checks and balances and accountability. That is why this state has open record & open meeting laws. We are governed by a division of powers and for the most part it works, not perfectly but it’s better than any other form of government. With this in mind, let us look at how URTV is being run and ruined.
The Board is now a collection of rubber stamping, dittoheads,
the Board meetings are totally staged by Garlinghouse, there is no discussion, no disagreements, no room for questioning why. Every decision is made behind closed doors and presented and voted upon publically but with a KNOWN outcome or nothing come to the agenda or to the vote.
All the demonization of anyone with a brain who ask WTF? is going on, is run off by her or her designated pit bulls. The result is a dismal and mediocre amount of programming sprinkled occasionally with a decent or thought provoking show. URTV has digressed to a stunningly poor example of what Public Access has the potential to be for a community.
And an Executive Director run amok with too much power over a treasured publicly funded asset, who answers to NO ONE.
The worst is yet to be revealed, stay tuned…. connect the dots folks, we have been conned by a professional con artist.
Vox Clematis
No Judge Bean, in typical sociopath behavior, you are blaming the messanger. If URTV’s management and Board would OBEY the law, the articles in Mountain Express would not have been written. URTV’s management and BOD are responsible.
the law he may have violated carrying the gun in was …bearing arms to the terror of the public,,,,there were children and women in the building,the man had no threats to his person,,and that is a public building ,with other county offices adjoining the studios,,when i walked in as a pre-arranged guest,,,dale joyner was shaken,and nervous looking,,then pat came into the room obviously still upset from the gun incident,,a case could be made for bearing arms to the terror of the public,,,as former military myself ,i can recognize scared,these ladies were and children were in the building because i spoke to some of them,,,the gentleman may be living in constant fear himself,,,who knows after 9 / 11,anyway in this persons opinion,,the gun was a self-fullfilling move of foolishness,in which he gave little thought to anyone other than himself,,my …elected opinion,,jeff turner
and on another issue,,with all the newspapers digging and all the city county oficals on the board and with attorneys eyeballing every move,its my belief that pat is running the place fine,,the attorneys and others, would have crucified her on a cross by now if things were out of order,back-off her ,,and please keep your negative to yourself,,if you arent going to persue an active part in forming solutions ,,it seems allot of you bark continuely,but your never leading the charge with the answers,my opinion only?jeff turner….
“the law he may have violated carrying the gun in was …bearing arms to the terror of the public”
Wrong Jeff. Unless URTV had sign posted stating “no weapons allowed on the premises” it is prefectly legal for him to carry a side arm plus I believe it has already been acknowledged that he has a cancealed carry permit and may also be contected to law enforecment on the state or federal level. Also inorder for him to be guilty of what you say he would have had to convey and threat. Why don’t you idiots over there at URTV stop this smoke and mirror lying nonsense and tell the truth for once?
If this really bothers you so badly why aren’t you doing something about the convicted sex offender walking the hallways at URTV who was also allowed by Pat to do a childrens program with children involved?
As for Pat did you ever think the evidence is just be gathered to the point that it will be overwelming to finally drive a stake threw that “public money” sucking vampires (Pat) heart?
As to your other point. There have been suggestions after suggestions made on here and to the URTV staff to bring URTV into compliance with its bylaws and management agreements only to run into road block after road block by you, brother sex offender, Ralph, LiarLady, Jerry and others at URTV which is why you folks have shot yourself in the foot. The days of URTV as you know it are coming to an end. Don’t blame the folks on these threads, blame yourself as you and others were the problem. This whole cirus at URTV was instigated by Pat and her faithful mindless drone folk of which you have now identified yourself as a mindless free speech cesuring drone.
Have a nice night!
Why weren’t Garlinghouse and Joyner whipped up into a frenzy because their policewoman is carryng a loaded weapon too? In fact they are the reason URTV now NEEDS a police officer. No police officer was needed till Joyner arrived as the “queen”.
They’re just pissed a private investigator took the time and had the expertise to do a background check on “preacher lady” Joyner. And found out a not so holy or Christian past. The “queen” of URTV must have deluded herself that she could hide her past while attempting to villanize others. What goes round comes around. Go back to your street corner proseltizing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rk_zmkjjEo
i dont have a dog in that fight, sunshine,but i did arrive at the station,,shortly after the gun incident,children were present the women were scared,i dont know the gentleman,and i dont care if hes law ,or not….he didnt need the gun in that building,,,in this case he was doing an interview with a room full of veterans,,,who’s he scared of,it sure aint impressing me,if i were only elected,,oh wait, i am,…i dont want him in a room with me bearing his arms in public,no-where in the same building,,he wasnt there guarding the place,he was there on a show ,do we really know where mister peacemakerpacker stands, i dont,,,i have a gun myself,but i dont go around scaring women and children,pat runs the place and the call for…. gun removal in the studio…. was the correct one,,there were children of the community there,and other citizens,pat has to consider everyones safety,,and she did,,,he did not think,or use wise judgment afforethought,,and had to be asked by the police to remove it,,he wouldnt do it as a simple request,,,sundance its obvious that you have a grievence im not aware of,and no im no drone ,but i am an american 100 percent ,,dont tread on me…
Hate to tell you this Jeff but he has the right to carry the gun under federal and state laws unless posted by your precious Pat and URTV. The law is the law, get use to it. I am sorry you are one of those URTV folks that disregards and disobeys laws. You and others at URTV are blowing this story out of proportion to continue your smoke and mirror act so you do not have to tell the truth. The truth is Dale Joyner has threatened, vandalized and harrassed URTV members and others and they have had to have armed officers at the meetings due to her behavior. Dale Joyner and Pat are not the little Saints you think they are.
You stated Children were involved but I noticed you failed to say anything in regards to a known convicted child sex offender walking the hallways of URTV and being allowed to interact with children by Pat but I guess this is also another law that you and others at URTV are chosing to disregard and disobey!!!!!!!
So, I think word for you is not to tread and censure the my rights. Please take your blatent disregard for the constitution and laws that govern our country and crawl back under your rock where you came from. Please Take Pat, Dale, Jerry, Ralph and that convicted child molester with you while you are at it, ok?
Like I said in the first post:
“yet another thread for them to go on and on for ANOTHER week”
Gee David, I sure do hope you are working on another one of your ground breaking weekly URTV investigations so we can start it all over again this week!
We sure did get a lot accomplished this time. I want to thank everyone who posted.
See you all in a day or two!
Well “URTV Member” you still have not answered the question about weather you approve of Pat’s your blatant disregard of state and federal laws protecting children from convicted Child Molesters which means you obviously approve of having a convicted child molester walking the hallways of URTV and interacting with children via a puppet show.
Your latest post is just more smoke and mirrors on your part. Your attacking the messenger, David Forbes, is only a pathetic attempt and ploy on your part to avoid having to be truthful and come clean on the facts.
How typical, predictable, hypocritical and whinny on your part. Perhaps you should ask Nanny Pat to warm up your baby bottle for you?
Sunshine:
“How typical, predictable, hypocritical and whinny on your part. Perhaps you should ask Nanny Pat to warm up your baby bottle for you?”
An ‘ad hominem’ attack!!! get ’em Tim!!!
Wow, what a brutal slam, I’m just destroyed!!!
See you next thread….. Hurry David… this one is getting old.
Jeff I think I had you as a guest on the Citizens Speak show many times and you come into the studio and slam me and call me a racists and biggot. Well you are the one that is calling people names now. I stand by what I said and how I said it.
It is plain to see that some people stick their finger in a camera and then scream and manipulate the courts to do their dirty work.
It is plain to see that some people talk so low at the board meetings that no one can hear.
It is plain to see that some people value the camera time only when it is free and will sacrifice any morals to hold on to that bit of so called fame. I did not think you were one of those but your actions have proved that beyond any doubt.
History has show that the crowd will follow anyone and actually it take guts to stand on principles.
Where is the principle of freedom of speach and the right to keep and bear arms and all of that stuff that people scream when they want their personal agenda served.
This thread and the actions at URTV have exposed human nature very clear. It all could have been stopped by a Board with Guts or elected people that over saw the contracts and how they were being honored. Better yet some maturity in dealing with people of different background could also have been use.
But it appears that those people in charge say my way or the highway. I have told the staff before that this keeps happening and eventually someone will put two and two together to equal four.
It is my opinion that when that occurs the goal of URTV will become one of servitude to a select few and not open ot all. You are seeing the beginning of that now. Keep you eyes turned toward what the Mt. Xpress and Jason Sanford have discussed on page 17 and 18 in the last issue.
Well “URTV Member” you are the one attacking David Forbes without cause. He is just reporting was since you folks at URTV just want to throw up Smoke and Mirror rather then tell the truth for once, present your case with valid factual information, etc and most importantly finally obey the laws you are governed by and obey the management agreements with the city and county.
Just remember “URTV member” all of this mess and David Forbes articles rest entirely on your shoulders, Pat, management and the BOD. It is your blatant disregard of laws along with the fleecing and embezzlement of public funding without accountability as to why URTV is being cast in such an unfavorable light.
The sooner you face facts, admit fault, correct your mistakes, make restitution and accept reality, the sooner we can all move past this.
its all about your remarks at …t k tripps,many people heard clearly what was said.live in denial all you want professor,,the man should have been more discreet with his firearm,,,and should have had better sense than to wear it in the studio ,now don i respect citizen show,but if you are gonna be different in public than on television ,,you can have your vote back….i will not tolerate biggotry,or racism,and as i see it, you owe a public apology to many persons,from the ///t k tripps event
I have not denied anything— that is your assumption. You can assume all you want. You should have talked with me. Why would I apologize to you for being truthful…
Sorry you are one of those that will do anything to keep your public exposure for free. If the shoe fits wear it proudly.
I honestly thought you cared about people but as usual I can be fooled.
but Jeff you are the one practicing biggotry and racism by saying it is ok for JOyner in crew to threaten and harrass individuals that do not agree with them upon entering URTV including damaging and vandalizing other individuals personal property and also making sanderous, unproven, non factual trumped up charges and agreeing with and going along with allowing a convicted child sex offender to roam the halls of URTV and inteact with the children and families you were so concerned about in your earlier posts. Aren’t you?
Jeff your agrument is baseless, false and has no merit because you along with other URTV members are willing to look the other way for something far more worse (Unregistered convicted sex offender and drug user) because that person is one of the mindless Pat drones just like you.
It’s very hyprocritical on your part, don’t you agree?
Hi folks,
Thanks for posting, but please — no name-calling (such as calling someone a “mindless … drone.”
Jon Elliston
Managing Editor
dont know about any peddlefiles at the station…
board and membership should control all the member problems,if there be any,,in fact i dont the backgrounds of any of the member producers,,it isnt my business,,,its the responsibility of the board and leadership to decide those matters,,,i personally dont condone,anything from anyone else,barking up the wrong tree ,i also dont condon propaganda,or useless allegations, i say provide proof ,,or be silent
Check out the new by-laws and see how much control the members have. You just might learn a thing or two.
Go here and look up him up for yourself, Jeff
http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/ClerkWebsite/welcome2.aspx
Another story Forbes missed, Yelton and his “Citizens Speak” show (the one Rosenthal packed heat into) has been suspended for a number of rules infractions.
Well URTV ProducerDude I think it would be more appropriate to say that you folks at URTV suspended Don’s show for telling the truth and doing what URTV was suppose to do originally which is Give The People A Voice. Basically you and others have no respect for citizen’s constitutional rights. As a matter of fact you go to great lengths to censure and oppress them, especially the 1st amendment. Facts are Facts dude. You, Ralph, Pat and others in that crowd of shallow individuals still have not found away around that.
I will pose the same question to you that I have asked others of your kind on here. Is there some reason that just for once you can not tell the truth and be honest? I promise I will not tell your handlers, Pat, Ralph and Jerry. You might actually find telling the truth for once a liberating experience.
Also how come you can make such a fuss about that show but have no problems with a convicted Rapist, drug addict, batterer and child molester walking the hallways at URTV?
Once again, Facts are facts and non disputable
As to Forbes missing a story did any of you folks bother to notify the Mountain X? My guess is probably not, so stop whining.
those people you speak of with adjectives are still united states citizens,with rights like everyone else sundance…
Dear Mr. Turner,
While your spelling, grammar and critical thinking skills indicate your lower level of intelligence, still you are due the same respect all of us are in this debate. This same respect you fail to show in your actions. As difficult as it was to make comprehensible your comments, I was able to piece together enough of your comments to find something that I agree with wholeheartedly…the need for verifiable proof. Below is the proof (the truth) you seek as derived from the public court records in Buncombe and Henderson Counties, NC, Broward County, FL and Shelby County, TN. These are just the records we know about so far that relate to rapist, child molester and habitual criminal, Christopher “Mad Monk” Chiaromonte. It is sad that those who support Garlinghouse do so by ignoring the obvious danger Chiaromonte presents to the community. You can research these records yourself and I hope you do. Please remember to spell correctly so you obtain an accurate record.
Furthermore, I did sense you were somewhat “in your cups” Monday night, I’ll forgive your ungentlemanly manner, this time…but don’t ever do it again.
The long version is here of the Monk’s record is here;
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17230737/Chiaromonte
Christopher Chiaromonte Criminal History
Source: Broward County, FL Court Clerk
Offense: Felony: Indecent Assault Child Under 16 Years
Lewd/Lascivious/Act/Child Disposition: GUILTY
Source: Shelby County, TN Court Clerk
Offense: Felony: Rape/Aggravated Sexual Battery
Disposition: GUILTY
Source: Henderson County, NC Court Clerk
Offense: 20-140(B) Reckless Driving to Endanger Person or Property
Disposition: Pled down to 20-154 Unsafe Movement
Offense: Following Too Closely
Disposition: Pled down to Improper Equipment
Source: Buncombe County, NC Court Clerk
Offense: Carrying Concealed Weapon (Knife)
Disposition: 03-18-2005 DISMISSED BY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Offense: Possession Marijuana Up To ½ OZ.
Disposition: 08-12-2005 GUILTY
Offense: Possession Marijuana Up To ½ OZ.
Disposition: 01-10-2006 GUILTY
Offense: Second Degree Trespass
Disposition: 11-07-2006 NOT GUILTY
Offense: Second Degree Trespass
Disposition: 01-26-2007 GUILTY
Offense: Second Degree Trespass
Disposition: 11-07-2006 GUILTY
Appealed to NC Court of Appeals
05-05-2008 Dismissed Appeal finding no error by lower court.
Offense: Possession of Drug Paraphernalia
Disposition: PENDING, Trial Date 09-15-2009
Offense: Second Degree Trespass
Disposition: PENDING, Trial Date 09-15-2009
Just like the man carrying a weapon Jeff, just like Davyne, Richard and John Blackwell are as well Jeff. You know the members of URTV that you and others have gone to get lengths over there to suppress their constitutional right of free speech Jeff. The beginning and center of this entire shit hit the fan controversy that was orchestrated by Pat, Jerry, Ralph, LiarLady, Dale Joyner, Brother Sex Offender/Rapist, you and others at URTV?
As for your claim of citizens that I speak about are you now stating that regardless of a persons criminal activity with charges still pending that the laws that have been put in place to protect law abiding citizens from the above mentioned deviant should not be followed?
If that is the case Jeff you just defeated your the entire agrument you have used in this thread…..opps, on your part. Facts are facts Jeff and no matter how hard you try to get around or distort them they still come out.
Now Jeff would you like to start telling the truth for once like I have asked you and others to do before?
Thanks for posting, but please — no name-calling (such as calling someone a “mindless … drone.”
Jon Elliston
Managing Editor
Dear Mr. Ellison … yet, you let Dial, Sundance/Bernier, and others above use character assassination and other forms vilification, violation of privacy, deliberate misinterpretation of facts, and a few self-serving outright lies to demomize people who work hard and do good for URTV and the community.
Worse, you’ve allowed your reporter to publish about 30 one-side, clumsily-slanted articles tearing down URTV without any true effort of presenting the other side of the situation.
Shame on the Mountain Express and you, Mr. Ellison. Now, let’s discuss journalism ethics (which in my opinion your paper in general need some refreshment thereof). I refer you the the Society of Professional Journalism (which years ago, I belonged to myself):
Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.
Journalists should:
— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources’ reliability.
— Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises. …
more at:
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
Mr. Ellison, your paper is unfair and allowing postings such as those above is NOT ethical.
oh please Seek Truth the only one who has character assassinated folks in the begining was you and your little crowd and and when you were called on the carpet for skewing facts and distorting the truth you accelerated the attack0s with liable, slander and defamation of charter (Dale Joyner’s baseless non evidence charges against Dial).
Then when you began receiving a dose of your own medicine it suddenly became so unfair and the Mountain X was guilty of biased journalism. Once again smoke and mirrors, distortion and cover up of facts in an attempt by URTV in an effort to suppress the truth backed up by facts.
You have been offered time and time again the opportunity to tell your side of the story…you would rather not so you can continue to whine in an effort to continually try to play the “victim card” which you have done very poorly.
As to this quote of yours:
“Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.”
he has and he has interpreted the information he has been able to gather through the obstructionist attitude of the BOD and management of URTV.
If you don’t like the information or interpretation do your part for once in your life by providing truthful and factual information rather then this “white wash” job you keep trying to sell everyone.
Once again “Seek Truth” facts are facts the URTV BOD and management should really accept reality and come clean on everything truthfully once and for all.
Seek truth, you wouldn’t know truth if it smacked you up side the head with a two by four.
You & your ilk have been drinking way toomuch “koolaid”
he has and he has interpreted the information he has been able to gather
Thank you, Sandance/Richard, for making my point. A true reporter DOES NOT “interpret” the news, he or she reports FACTS. That is where Mr. Forbes has fallen down.
As to you, Dial and all the others disparaging URTV:
You, too, fall flat is trying to demonize people (character assassination and vilification) instead of facts. It’s the old “when did you stop beating your wife” argument. Yes, it is hard for URTV to defend against accusations of secrecy when there is none, and again lies about character when the accusations are false.
Are you doing wrong? Yes.
Is Mountain Express failing to meet basic standards of journalistic ethics? Sure looks that way.
So, Richard, do you beat your wife?
sundance, all your words just spew hate,is that it,maybe they have the same rights as you,,and you cant handle it,,i have no=dealings with the board or its priorities,i feel sorry for you maybe you should see a shrink,,for all the anger or maybe not,,
When spin stop s working, turn to whining.
Neither are working here.
I think I know who you are and have suggested you look up “projection” before…that suggestion still stands.
Jeff with all due respect I have no problems with your rights or anyone elses. The problem is with your bigoted discriminatory one sided nature.
Like I said Jeff. The facts are the facts and the one who might need professional help is you since you have a very hard time grasping reality. Jeff the “victim card” has been used over and over by you and others and very ineffectively at that. Perhaps you should come up with a new magic trick to try to distort the facts and hide the truth? I simply called you on the faults of your agrument demonstrating your prejudicial argument and now who has starting slinging mud? You did….and once again, how typical in regards to the individuals who you have aligned yourself with.
Jeff there is a major difference between hate and presenting the facts. I am sorry for you that you are incapable of differentiating between the two.
As to Truth Seeker…if there is no secrecy ho come financail reporting is not available to the public when you receive public funding, how come you did not follow your own bylaws in regards to removing Dail. How come you continue to disobey NC open meeting laws, how come the meeting minutes are not available on the website.
And finally Truth Seeker aka Pat or Ralph where is all the evidence about Dial’s wrong doing to back up the slanderous accusations Dale Joyner made or the tape of that meeting that has simply disappeared?
And you claim you are not hiding anything, yeah right and baloney!
Facts are facts…you can ignore them all you want and further damage your first amendment censuring URTV…the rest of us will not.
Mr Forbes presented the facts he had, the fact that you decided to obstruct rather then participate in making sure the facts were all on the table is your own fault and not the reporters or anyone else and while we are on the subject how come you are flagrantly disobeying NC laws in regards to convicted sexual offenders interacting with minor children….still not hiding anything?
I think not, go sell it to someone else.
Jason Sanford reports Don Yelton’s show has been suspended , he says for a concealed weapon issue. I’d don’t see that specifically mentioned in the suspension letter, but I do see where mention of “any producer who engages in activities in the URTV facility that are harassing, threatening, purposefully detrimental or damaging to another producer, URTV staff member or URTV resources will be asked to leave the building.
Well through the grapevine, it’s well known that the “concealed weapon dude” had a permit, and was not threatening anyone. Word is he’s a federal agent or some sort of undercover dude. In fact, that evening he was the most polite, intelligent and gentlemanly person on the panel. Additionally URTV does not display a “no firearms allowed” notice. Due to the harassment and intimidation tactics of members who remain in favor of Garlinghouse, URTV now regularly needs to hire a police officer to keep the peace. That officer wears a weapon. So which is it, weapon or no weapon? Weapon ok, if you’re on Garlinghouse’s payroll, intimidation and harassment ok, if you’re Garlinghouse’s designated pit bull. Rules for Garlinghouse are certainly a lot more lax than the rules she applies to the underlings, now aren’t they?
If you deny a person the right to carry a weapon (legally documented and authorized) doesn’t that get into 2nd amendment issues?
Garlinghouse states on her taped message to Yelton that this IS the reason he is up for suspension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EicpXmYxVjk&eurl=http://www.truveo.com/pat-garlinghouse-urtv/m/2485766400&feature=player_embedded
URTV does now have a “No Guns” sign on the door.
NC Firearms Law states: where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice, or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-415.11(c) Click on: NC Firearms Law
Vox Clematis states: If you deny a person the right to carry a weapon (legally documented and authorized) doesn’t that get into 2nd amendment issues?
Not on PRIVATE property. Its a RIGHT of the private property owner to tell someone what they can do on their property.
Also, anyone who refuses to leave private property after the owner or the person charge tells one to leave can be arrested trespassing.
The “concealed weapon dude” is supposed to be a retired PI. Also, “heard” he was not all that nice and did not remove the firearm until the police arrived. Being a “FED”, and do not believe he is, does not mean one does not have to obey the law.
“If you deny a person the right to carry a weapon (legally documented and authorized) doesn’t that get into 2nd amendment issues?”
Yes it is and I have already covered this issue in regards to Jeff’s comments in which he had a childish fit when his agrument literally blew up in his face. It’s perfectly ok for Garlinghouse’s Cult memebrs do whatever they want which includes a convicted sex offenders of minors interacting with children.
With Garlinghouse, Ralph, Joyner, LiarLady, Joe, and Jerry Young state and federal laws meant to protect law abiding citizens mean absolutely nothing….right Ralph?
“Not on PRIVATE property. Its a RIGHT of the private property owner to tell someone what they can do on their property.”
With all due respect PPR a notice must be clearly visible. At the time of the incident no notice was posted anywhere at URTV. Additionally please get your facts correct URTV is not private property…it is public domain as it receives public financing but is not a governmental department therefore without written notice it was indeed legal for him under NC law to carry a concealed weapon. Once again it is amazing how URTV loves to distort facts and create smoke screens in an effort to be untruthful. Did you listen to Pat on Yelton’s machine? Pat said he was cooperative and I believe he did indeed remove his side arm after being sked…distortion again on your part as well as URTV.
I have said and asked you and others over and over again how come you URTV Garlinghouse followers can not and will not be honest and truthful? I am waiting on your answer.
Additionally how come you have such an issue and mind block in regards to this incident but it is ok to put children in harms way by allowing them to have interaction with a convicted sex offender whom was convicted of indecent liberties with a minor in Florida?
On top of all that Pat makes the children’s parents sign a wavier relieving URTV of any responsibility that could arise from the this careless action that you and others at URTV approve of. Do you not think there is something wrong with this picture and mindset of yours?
“NC Firearms Law”
If your going to post a link please make sure it is correct
Here’s the correct linK:
Nc Firearms Law.
Just in the link is broke again here it is so you can cut and paste to you browser. http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf“>Nc Firearms Law
Sundance states: With all due respect PPR a notice must be clearly visible. At the time of the incident no notice was posted anywhere at URTV.
PPR stated: URTV does now have a “No Guns” sign on the door. Notice the NOW in the statement.
Sundance states: Additionally please get your facts correct URTV is not private property…it is public domain as it receives public financing but is not a governmental department therefore without written notice it was indeed legal for him under NC law to carry a concealed weapon.
PPR replies: You are incorrect as the property is leased or rented in the name of URTV, a non-profit organization, independent of the City and County, and URTV acts as a public trustee in the administration in the community interest. In other words it is a CONTRACTOR with a MANAGEMENT Agreement with the City and County, not a government entity. Therefore, the building it in is private property. The City and County has no control over the property. Also, CCW permit holders are NOT allow to carry firearms on government property.
Sundance states: without written notice it was indeed legal for him under NC law to carry a concealed weapon.
PPR replies: NC Firearms Law states: where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice, or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-415.11(c). NOTICE the: statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises – means that if the person in control of the premises tells someone to leave they MUST leave or they are breaking the law. And are subject to arrest. I have heard that is why when “concealed weapon dude” was told to take the firearm out of the building and did not the Police were called. Only once the Police arrived did he take the firearm out.
Sundance States: Additionally please get your facts correct URTV is not private property…it is public domain as it receives public financing but is not a governmental department.
PPR replies: URTV rec’s funds from Charter Cable which charges a PEG ACCESS Fund fee of which I am fairly sure is .43 per subscriber. These funds then pass thru the City and County to be distributed to the Public, Education, Government channels on Charter Cable. The funds come from the subscribers of Charter, not the City or County or the general taxpayer.
Sundance your reasoning and some of the others posting here,I think some of the businesses,if not all that do business with the City or County would find just plain wrong. Just because you rec’e funds or payments for as a contractor for services or purchase msde. does not make you a “Public Domain” or are they required to open their checkbook, records, etc. to every Tom, Dick or Harry.
You and others can go to the City and County and ask to see the audit that URTV as a trustee must turn in to calm whatever fears you may have about how URTV sends its funds.
Also, I would suggest you, others and reporters go ask the City and County Managers just what relation URTV has with the City and County.
PPR replies: You are incorrect as the property is leased or rented in the name of URTV, a non-profit organization, independent of the City and County, and URTV acts as a public trustee in the administration in the community interest.
Wrong read the management agreement and the orginal bylaws and the franchise agreement that was orginally signed by Charter with the city and county. URTV is indeed a quasi public asset who is required to adhere to NC open meeting laws and transparaency.
PPR replies: URTV rec’s funds from Charter Cable which charges a PEG ACCESS Fund fee of which I am fairly sure is .43 per subscriber. These funds then pass thru the City and County to be distributed to the Public, Education, Government channels on Charter Cable. The funds come from the subscribers of Charter, not the City or County or the general taxpayer.
Wrong again, the PEG money goes to the city and county into the general fund at which time they decide what URTV will recieve, not Charter. At the point that they flow threw municipal coffers it becomes public domain/property/money via city and county governments which is tax paying citizens…publicmoney, period. You need to accept that fact . Also, read your stupid management agreement. It states you receive public funding, and you had agreed to it in order to receive funding. It is time for you to acknowledge and except those facts that you always try to get around and ignore but can not.
Also, how convieant on your part that you will not talk about the danger you are placing minor children in at URTV and how your making parents sign waivers relieving URTV of any responsibility.
Cat got your tongue on that one?
If you want URTV to be private that is fine by me…you just have to do what I have told you to do before and repay every penny you ever took and never take a single Public or PEG penny again. Are you ready to do that?
Hmm, amusingly transparent how this is still being smoke screened. URTV is pubicly funded: Deal with it!
Bob Oast said it back in 2006:
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:02 PM
To: urtv
Subject: [urtv-asheville] urtv and open meetings laws
From: Bob Oast
To: Robin Cape
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: URTV
Dear Robin:
I have looked through our agreement with URTV, and in URTV’s articles of
incorporation. I find nothing in there that requires that their meetings
be open to the public, or otherwise conducted in accordance with the
Open Meetings law. They are not a “public body” that is explicitly
subject to the law. That does not mean that the law does not apply to
them, however.
It is my understanding that [b]URTV operates substantially with public
money (cable subscriber paid PEG funds allocated by the City and
County). Its function is the management of a URTV facility for the
public access station. The equipment and space it uses is paid for with
public (PEG) money as well. A North Carolina Court of Appeals case, News
and Observer Publishing Co. v. Wake County Hospital Systems, Inc., 55 NC
App. 1(1981), held that a non-profit agency contracting with a county to
operate a public hospital is subject to the Public Records law. The main
factor that led the Court to that conclusion was that the non-profit
operated largely with public money; clearly that is occurring here.
Other factors might be the extent to which the non-profit agency is
controlled by the government with it contracts or the extent to which it
performs a governmental function. It appears that the City and County
exercise some degree of control over URTV’s operations. While TV might
not by itself be a governmental function, a strong argument could be
made that public access TV is by definition governmental.[/b]
Even though the Wake County case involved public records and not open
meetings, I think that the same arguments could be made. On this basis,
I think that URTV is subject to the Open Meetings law. This means that
the meetings are required to be open (except for legally-permitted
closed sessions). This further means that “any person may photograph,
film, tape-record, or otherwise reproduce any part of a meeting required
to be open.” NCGS 143-318.6.
Since the County has some involvement with URTV as well, I’d want to
review my opinion with their lawyer, but the law is pretty clear and I
don’t think there will be any disagreement. I’ll try to do that today.
Of course, I think your reasoning that [b] “it’s public access, for cryin’
out loud” [/b]makes the most sense.
I hope that this is responsive to your question; if you need any further
information or need me to address the URTV board, please let me know.
Bob Oast
City Attorney
Asheville City Council
Regular Meeting – January 9, 2007 – 5:00 p.m.
City Hall Building
Council Chamber
AGENDA
II Consent Agenda:
F. Resolution amending the Memorandum of Agreement with URTV
…NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ASHEVILLE
THAT:
1. That this Board does hereby amend the Management Agreement with URTV, Inc. as
follows:
Section 1. Scope of Services L. URTV Board of Directors Meetings. The URTV Board
of Directors will comply with the North Carolina
Open Meetings Law, set forth in Article 33C of the North Carolina General
Statutes Section 143-318.10 et. seq.
http://www.ci.asheville.nc.us/council/AgendaDocs/Consent-F.pdf
Very well stated Davyne and backed up with factual evidence as usual. Well PPR? What other white wsh job do you plan to bring us next? As I have said before Ralph and Pat…I mean PPR, facts are facts and no matter how hard you try they will not go away or be hidden by you.
Once again, is there some reason you can not be truthful and honest for once in your lifetime. I think if you practiced be truthful and honest you might actually find it a very liberating experience. Now are you ready to begin following the laws meant to protect children from the sexual deviant you had walking the hallways of URTV or would you rather just continue down the path of scamming the public and see an end to URTV as in its death?
URTV meetings ARE open the public.
Do not understand your need to keep bring it up. Mis-direction, Davyne and Sundance?
Sundance States: is there some reason you can not be truthful and honest for once in your lifetime.
So who are you Sundance?
Sundance states: As I have said before Ralph and Pat…I mean PPR, facts are facts.
PPR replies: Ain’t Ralph or Pat. Get your facts straight before you blame somebody for posting something they did not.
Sundance states: Wrong again, the PEG money goes to the city and county into the general fund at which time they decide what URTV will recieve, not Charter. At the point that they flow threw municipal coffers it becomes public domain/property/money via city and county governments which is tax paying citizens…publicmoney, period.
PPR replies: As usual you are wrong Sundance. As my very informed source tells me, all peg monies go to the PEG channels based on a prearranged agreement between Charter, City and County. No monies ever go to the general fund. The monies must go to a pass through account to contractors.
I really do not understand why I even read your posts. For that matter why anybody does. On second thought I do know why I do, its to correct the postings that are just flat out incorrect.
Have a Good Day.
So obiliging PPR, thanks for the opportunity to post again.
Bob Oast said It is my understanding that URTV operates substantially with public
money (cable subscriber paid PEG funds allocated by the City and
County). Its function is the management of a URTV facility for the
public access station. The equipment and space it uses is paid for with
public (PEG) money as well. A North Carolina Court of Appeals case, News
and Observer Publishing Co. v. Wake County Hospital Systems, Inc., 55 NC
App. 1(1981), held that a non-profit agency contracting with a county to
operate a public hospital is subject to the Public Records law. The main
factor that led the Court to that conclusion was that the non-profit
operated largely with public money; clearly that is occurring here.
Other factors might be the extent to which the non-profit agency is
controlled by the government with it contracts or the extent to which it
performs a governmental function. It appears that the City and County
exercise some degree of control over URTV’s operations. While TV might
not by itself be a governmental function, a strong argument could be
made that public access TV is by definition governmental.
now, if someone did a urtv show about Tim Johnson’s PhD, i’d watch that.
Davyne posts that Bob Osat states: While TV might
not by itself be a governmental function, a strong argument could be made that public access TV is by definition governmental.
PPR replies: Most people know, Davyne that Judges and Lawyers are not always correct and are overturned all the time. Your post is Oast’s opinion that a strong argument “could be” made. Notice the “could be”. Also opinions are not law. The case Oast uses for his opinion appears not apply to PEG money, but is about the Public Records law. A much stronger argument, I feel could be made that PEG money originates from Charter Cable and not the City or County. The monies are subscriber fees. Therefore, making it private money. PEG fees do not originate from all the City or County taxpayers, only if they are Charter Subscribers. Since, only the subscribers can view the PEG channels the fee is not tax money. “Maybe” you may wish to think of them as a subscriber fee to view a channel like HBO. Once, again: No monies go to the general fund of the City or County. The monies must go to a “pass through” account to contractors.
As for viewing records, please note: URTV is not a government entity, it is a nonprofit Corporation under NC law. It runs URTV as a contractor under a management agreement with the City and County. If, you wish to see records that URTV under the management agreement turns over to the City and County you are more then free to ask the City and County to see. It is my understanding those are the only records the public is allow to see. You can double check that with the City and County if, you wish. And I wish you would.
If, you don’t already know there is an OPEN Producers Meeting at URTV at 6pm on July 13th.
Again, have a good day.
PPR get your fact straight again and read the management agreement which states and acknowledges that URTV does indeed receive public funding. Facts are facts…are you saying the contract/management agreement URTV operates under is wrong? The agreement URTV is suppose to follow in order to receive those PEG funds which are indeed public?
State what you want, throw out smoke screen after smoke screen but they are public. You might also want to give a little more thought to the county and city. They are not required to renew the management agreements with URTV and they are not required to give you one penny.
Oh and PPR you are aware that URTV is a membership based Non profit with voting rights,are you not? After all it was the memebership that voted Dial off. Given that since she is still a member, I think you have to let her see whatever she askes for in regards to records under non profit membership laws.
Your new bylaws are also illegal since they were not ratified by the memebership through a vote. The law on that is pretty straight forward on that in regards to membership non profits, Ralph.
I see your still your still dodging the question and your responsibility of protecting children from the convicted sex offender you have walking the hallways over there.
Sorry, wrong tonites Annual Producer’s Meeting is not an OPEN meeting.
“Sorry, wrong tonites Annual Producer’s Meeting is not an OPEN meeting.”
On what grounds? Under NC open meeting laws you are only allowed to have closed sessions if you meet certain criteria.
More non compliance on URTV’s part?
Hey, on the subject of todays meeting I could be wrong. Why, don’t you call URTV and find out for yourself. Can not do all of the work for you.
While the annual producers meeting is indeed required to be open, only qualified members can vote upon who will be their next director on the Board. For the vote to take place, the meeting must be called to order, and the voting ballots passed and counted in that room by the board secretary.
All the above did not happen during the vote to remove me on April 29th.
Wrong, Davyne Dial, this is a producers meeting and not covered by open meetings law. Said so on the announcement sent to producers. Also, I just called URTV and asked Mrs. Garlinghouse. She confirmed that it is a closed meeting, just for producers. Period.
Sundance, you are incorrect on the open meetings law. That just covers board meetings. Staff meetings and member meetings are required to be open for any organization. And what does it matter anyway?
My understanding NOW is that it is a closed Annual Producers meeting and only Producers are allowed to attended. As they will be nominating and voting on THEIR representatives on the Board of Directors.
Seems to me electing THEIR reps is their business and no one else’s.
“As they will be nominating and voting on THEIR representatives on the Board of Directors.
Seems to me electing THEIR reps is their business and no one else’s.”
Not when it involves public funding which it does according to those management agreements URTV agreed to in order to receive the funding. You know, those agreements you continually ignore in an effort to embezzle public funds.
Even if the public does not vote on those membership/pupeteer board elected postions they do have a right to know who is elected as they are footing the bill for it.
Non compliance again, no matter what Pat says, period.
“Wrong, Davyne Dial, this is a producers meeting and not covered by open meetings law. Said so on the announcement sent to producers. Also, I just called URTV and asked Mrs. Garlinghouse. She confirmed that it is a closed meeting, just for producers. Period.”
Producer Dude…if your having elections for board postions then it really is not a Producers meeting as it is related to the BOD and should be open despite what Pat wants say in an effort to continue to spin her non truths.
:-)
Sundance/Richard and Davyne: you two were both removed for cause because you misinterpreted your positions. Be good losers.
We producers see that URTV is running smoother than it ever has. Did that happen by accident and in spite of the sabotage from Bernier and Dial? No, it did not. We have good leadership. You guys need to stop trying to demonize her and just go AWAY. Let us producers do what we’re already doing so well — producing!
Well Producer Man I just love it when you call me someone who I am not because it only shows ingnorance or your part as well as the rest of your crowd at URTV. Perhaps you might want to do a little research from the usual gambit of info available on the net rather then continually putting your foot in your mouth or do you not know how to do research?
Obviously not or you would have read and understood the management agreement URTV operates under with the city and county to continue to get public funds? If you had you would actually be aware of how you have continually embezzled public monies.
While we are on it are you ready to talk about URTV violating the public’s tryst by allowing and know and convicted sex offender walk the hallways and interact with children?
Can you honestly say you whole hardly support letting a sexual divant have access to minors possibly giving “it” access to a new victim?
Oh what the heck, your just another little drone that is incapable of telling the truth and being honest aren’t you? Run off to Pat and Ralph to find out what to say next!
Sundunce states: Well Producer Man I just love it when you call me someone who I am not because it only shows ingnorance or your part as well as the rest of your crowd at URTV. Perhaps you might want to do a little research from the usual gambit of info available on the net rather then continually putting your foot in your mouth or do you not know how to do research?
PPR asks: Seems to me that YOU do just what you accuse someone else of doing ALL the time.
NO PPR I just give you folks a bit of your own medicine from time to time. Firt I was Kurt Man or whoever and now I am Richard. It quite comical on URTV’s part.
Maybe you folks can open a comedy club or something when URTV is gone.
Oh, those pesky rules, statutes, bylaws, management agreements,etc., we don’t want to follow.. What’s a 501 (c) 3 to do?
Lose their status?
two new board members voted in ,jones and iway
Yes Jeff, two new board members voted in in a non compliant closed meeting that does not meet NC Open meeting laws as URTV is required to abide by. I will add it to my list of numerous infractions on URTV’s part.
Regarding his July 2 comment above, reader Matt Howard has sent a retraction of his comments to Xpress. They’ll be published as a letter to the editor in the July 15 issue, but here’s what he had to say:
” Recently in the Xpress forums I made several comments about MAIN’s use of funds meant for WPVM, and suggested WPVM only exists as a source of funding for MAIN. Afterword I was personally contacted by Wally Bowen, executive director of MAIN, calling me out to prove the accuracy of these statements. In fairness I can not. I can not claim to know the mind or motivation of Mr. Bowen. Nor have I seen any financial documentation pertaining to MAIN. These statements reflected only my personal opinions and feelings, based on information I have acquired by word of mouth. Since I dislike it when others throw around unsubstantiated information, I should not have done likewise.
What I should have said was this:
Community Media. Among the definitions of community in my copy of Websters are: 4.A group of people living together and having interests, work, etc. in common. 5.Society; the public. 6.Ownership or participation in common. Dictionary.com said among other things this about media: 2.The means of communication, as in radio and television, newspapers and magazines, that reach or influence people widely.
I personally define functional community media twofold: 1.It should give members of the public at large, provided they are willing to put in the time and work, a platform for communication and expression to which they would otherwise not have had access. 2.Provide the community with programming that would not otherwise be available, including, but not limited to, non-corporate alternatives and programming specifically relevant to said community.
In order for this to happen, it needs to be free of outside influence. Either the content is democratic in nature, or each individual producer is willing to take responsibility for it. Also a special kind of dedication is needed on the part of producers. It requires a belief in, and a love for what you are producing. WPVM was full of volunteers like this.
I remember seeing the effects of losing an institution that was beloved by a community. It happened more than twenty years ago when my mother’s church burned to the ground. After an initial coming together, my mother’s circle of friends started to drift apart as everyone started to find new churches. As a teenager, I didn’t fully appreciate the situation at the time. It took me years to realize what was lost that day.
I believe that it has not fully sunk in with some what was lost, when the majority of volunteers were ousted from WPVM in one fell swoop. I only had a show there for six months, but in that time I saw the love, dedication, and devotion so many put into the place, some since its inception. ‘Starts from scratch’ does not begin to describe the situation now. I cringe to think how much knowledge and talent walked never to return. I believe that even if WPVM is fully restaffed, it will never hold the same place in the heart of this community. Attempts to emulate or replace sacred institutions always fall short. Even if the new product is somehow “better,” the old magic never returns.
But then, that’s just my opinion.”
it was open to all member/producers,,i was there wasnt closed …you need pro-help sundance ,maybe doctor mumpower has an opening for you…
“I cringe to think how much knowledge and talent walked never to return. I believe that even if WPVM is fully restaffed, it will never hold the same place in the heart of this community. Attempts to emulate or replace sacred institutions always fall short. Even if the new product is somehow “better,” the old magic never returns.”
NIce words and it would be nice if the powers that are in charge and the rouge members aligned with Pat contmplate this a little.
Ever since Garlinghouse came to URTV and hand picked her puppets for the BOD URTV has continually gone down hill, but like Matt, that is just my opinion.
However, not following ByLaws, articles of incorporation, and management agreements with the city and county is a different story. Simply put, facts are facts and Pat, Ralph, Joe, Jerry and others are all guilty of violating the public’s trust and embezzlement of public funding in an effort to finance their private agenda, not a public agenda.
…the rouge members aligned with Pat…
Richard, it’s hard for you hide, you have such an unique way of mangling the English language.
I went to one of the board meetings and none of the members I saw were wearing cosmetics. Mind you, some of them COULD have used the help.
More seriously, accusing such a wide spectrum of board members of embezzlement is foolish, unfair, unprovable, churlish, counterproductive, and ACTIONABLE. Alan Rosenthal is not the only detective around, you can be tied to ‘Sundance’ and made to eat your unfounded allegations.
Jon and MountainX — you guys perhaps might want to reconsider your standard of journalistic ethics that allows these smears to be published on YOUR site under YOUR masthead.
Shame on you, shame on Richard/Sundance.
A final refutation: Richard, you say URTV has gone now, that is incorrect. Any unbiased observer who comes to the station and observe the smooth operation, the enthusiastic growing group of real producers, the amazing amount of original programing, can only (and rightly so) conclude that it has GONE UP. URTV grows.
But I think you would look good with a bit of rouge on your cheeks there, Richard me boy.
“it was open to all member/producers,,i was there wasnt closed …you need pro-help sundance ,maybe doctor mumpower has an opening for you… ”
Jeff it was stated earlier in this thread that it was a closed meeting for producers and members only. Being that it was a meeting pertaining to elections/appointments to the BOD it should have been open as it involves public Monies and as usual you began attacking again Jeff.
The only person that needs professional help is you. Perhaps one day some therapist might be able to cure you from your habitual lying as well as your need to live in a delusional world. Since you want to behave like a child you might want to see if Gordon can clar up sometime on his schedule for yoy, and lots of it.
Its not foolish producer man at all. Why don’t you ask Ralph about that letter he wrote because he had a problem with a program URTV was running. In that letter he states that “we may have to take more drastic actions.
Geez…your suppose be open access with both sides presented, “Producer Man”. Not censureship of the left so only the “right handed side” Ralph and Jerry’s side is aired. Would this not be censureship of the first amendment “Producer Man”. The answer is yes which means yes to violation of the public trust inorder to fulfill their own agenda no matter how much the steal and lie to the public.
Now, go run back to Pat and Ralph so they can tell you what little “white wash” job to say and attempt to convince us of it being the truth.
Is anyone else reading this thread getting REALLY BORED with Richard’s (Sundance) and Davine’s endless sour grape rantings?
Mr. Elliston, Mr. Forbes, I assure you that any obligations your paper has to Richard and Davine has LONG since been met and surpassed!
Richard, your vendetta against URTV is really sad and unhealthy. The BOD took the correct action removing you, and you are proving it with the ad-nauseum rantings on these threads.
“Alan Rosenthal is not the only detective around, you can be tied to ‘Sundance’ and made to eat your unfounded allegations.”
GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!
Go get your private eye and do your best to prove I am Richard, Peter or this person or that person. I will be very comical watching you make a bigger fool/idiot out of yourself and people will only see you for what you are…a fraud and phoney that goes to the city and county begging for handouts because they are lazy and unwilling to pay the entire costs of His/her hobby and since you like to trample on individuals constitutional rights that is exactly waht it is.
GO GET YOUR DECTECTIVE…..I CAN’T WAIT AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
Get a detective, yeah, go ahead, make our day! ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO …Robin Cape is right, we need to be making a tv show about this ,and i plan to do just that… for now i am looking in to doing a radio show.. i think more people are tuning in on the radio ,than on the tv,now days..urtv has gone so far down hill,that no one is watching any more,but i bet they would if we did (urtv goes springer)…when i go back to do my show,at urtv,i will not do a tea party…if you would like to see my new show on urtv ,please post something here ,and tell me what you would like the show to be …..
Davine,
I didn’t mention Mr. Rosenthal.
That was “Producer Man”
His name seems to be Alan, not Ian.
Perhaps you should let whoever was posting for you before continue. They seemed to be able to pay better attention to the thread.
ROTFLMAO….
LOL!!!!!!!
Christ, I feel like I’m back in junior high school
Thank you both for proving in how ridiculous this is.
The hypocrisy of “URTV MEMBER” Claiming that I anonymously post to harass URTV, is quite the ironic treat. Well done “URTV MEMBER” and “ANOTHER URTV MEMBER”
I would request however, that if you’re going to claim I make anonymous posts (which I don’t) about URTV, please do spell my name correctly.
The fact of the matter is, I don’t’ have any more time to waste on an organization being driven into the ground by Garlinghouse. All the relevant information I have to offer can be found here:
http://ourasheville.org/071115-urtv
Which are direct factual observations from when I was treasurer of URTV (the last qualified treasurer the organization has had).
Since I’m no longer a member, and no longer involved in the board, I have no new up-to-date information to present, and therefore have no reason to post regarding this matter.
Garlinghouse has ruined the potential of an organization that could have been a remarkable asset to the community.
Contrary to “URTV MEMBER’S” statements, I would like nothing more than to see URTV flourish. Unfortunately I don’t believe this will happen as long as Garlinghouse is at the helm.
I do hope that closer inspection of the actions of Garlinghouse will result in her removal, which will undoubtedly result in a resurgence of membership, as more than half of the former membership appear to have been directly driven off by Garlinghouse.
Good luck URTV, let’s hope some of the “URTV MEMBERS” will get a clue as well. Pat can be amazingly cordial as long as you’re doing what she wants. I suggest any of you died in the wool Garlinghouse supporters simply ask to see the books, that way you’ll get to see what its like when you fall out of favor.
Sincerely,
Peter Brezny
Peter Brezny,
I am honestly glad to hear you are no longer participating in these constant attacks.
I do need to correct something in your post.
I am not a fan of Pat, or the board.
I am a fan of URTV, and like it or not, URTV is running much more smoothly now than it has in the past. I make a show, submit it, they air it.
I have just had it with this paper allowing non participants to run down URTV week after week.
I guess it is somewhat insulting to be tied to the ramblings of Richard.
For that I do apologize.
Um..URTV Member,when I post I use my name becuase I have stood my ground with my thoughts & views, maybe you could shed some light on who you are but that is up to you.
Now, with that record being set, now lets move on.
Here are two videos that I recenty produced & edited. I was advised that the City post the full council meetings online should you seek to watch the full meeting.
My take & views below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wkE2zzZkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te9X7y1jIxQ
RB
Dear, “URTV Member”
Glad to hear that like me, you’re a fan of URTV.
I have to ask though, why the anonymity? This is America, freedom of speech is the law. We all have a right to express our opinions openly, free from fear of retribution so long as they are not slanderous but grounded in fact or stated as an opinion.
Why diminish the weight and validity of your comments by hiding behind a pseudonym?
Step up. Let your public know who you are, or continue to languish in the shadows of credibility.
Sincerely,
Peter Brezny
Avoiding the facts by getting up on the anal retentive (oh lookie, I found a typo, hee hee) high horse..typical evasion tactics. What mediocre people have to resort to.
URTV Member said
“I have just had it with this paper allowing non participants to run down URTV week after week.”
maybe all these non participants will come back,now that pat is on her way out… i know i am going to start doing a show…
One would like to assume that you all know how much you’re coming off like Jerry Springer guests, and that all of your arguments and immature sniping are doing little but demonstrating poor communication skills and an inability to conduct yourselves professionally or competently. Contrary to the apparent voices in your heads, the only thing your doing is embarrassing yourselves and proving to the city and the county that none of you are worthy of being taken seriously. Furthermore, you demonstrate that the public access channel is not a valuable community resource as most of you claim, but in reality, it is a tender box for unstable individuals.
This of course is directed at most of the contributors both for and against. If it weren’t already too late, you all might consider dialing it back a bit and exerting a little self control.
Well URTV since you continue to falsely claim I am someone who I am not why don’t you just do us all a favor and carry out your threat of hiring your own PI to prove I am Richard? Go ahead put your money where your mouth is and hire one. If you would do that I can have an even more enjoyment by watching you make a bigger and more complete idiot out of yourself.
I’ll even sell tickets to the event and maybe we can film it and put it on URTV. We can always can it “Stupid URTV Member”….lol
To: In Check
If you gonna be pointing the bony finger…try legitimizing it by stating your name rather than skulk around doing it anonymously,
then you might make a point. You are entitled to your opinion on this as are we. But do it in the open, like some of us have.
“In Check” the simple fact of the matter si their are issues and the city council would not have said the other night that unless those concerns are addressed, fixed, and amends make with the people URTV has gone out of its way to harm, harass and slander the management agreement will not be renewed and your PEG funds will be stopped. I think that puts more in Check then the new anonymous name you have chosen to use for this post.
What anonymous name? Like Sundance or something??
The poster makes an excellent observation which is confirmed by your responses. You really should be embarassed with yourselves.
Incheck:One would like to assume that you all know how much you’re coming off like Jerry Springer guests, and that all of your arguments and immature sniping are doing little but demonstrating poor communication skills and an inability to conduct yourselves professionally or competently.
Yes, that “Springeresque” behavior of us disinfranchised members & ex members is why the City has told URTV to straighten up and fly right or the renewal is in jeopardy. You wouldn’t be one of those URTV yes men, who are still trying to convince the world black is white and pigs can fly are ya?
“What anonymous name? Like Sundance or something??
The poster makes an excellent observation which is confirmed by your responses. You really should be embarassed with yourselves”
Hmmm…really can’t called anonymous or something like that when I have belonged to the MountainX community long before the URTV drama of non compliance, embezzlement of public funds, ignoring your obligations under your articles of incorporation and screwing the public over in an effort to have your hobbies paid for.
Anonymous would be folks like “In Check” “Judge Bean” “URTV Producer” “URTV Member”, etc, etc that are posts from URTV members. Posts that have to be approved from the Mountain X before they even appear on here….opps. I guess you forgot to clarify that point as usual, typical smoke and mirrors.
I have been a member under the name Sundance since March 31, 2007. You “James L” have been a member since February 18, 2009 and you name sheds no light on who you are either so you are really in no postion to be talking since you only joined for the purpose of promoting URTV white wash jobs and cover ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfV2Ge4HQI
Vox, that is pathetically lousy video. Blurred, bad sound, shaky. I thought you guys were big time producers at URTV? Embarrassing, looks like you’ve learned nothing.
I’ll agree that is not a very good video at all! However the audio from what I heard was not as terrible as you make it out to be. You have to remember it was being filmed under protest with probably very poo lighting, etc and it was also very upsetting to Ralph and Pat. Maybe it was so upsetting because it kept them from discussing a secret and personal agenda of theirs. Otherwise, why would a video and record of the meeting be such a problem?
Gee, Sundance, I doubt anyone would be “discussing a secret and personal agenda” in an open board meeting. So why film it in the first place? Makes no sense. This is the biggest ‘to do’ about nothing I’ve ever seen. Surely you are not this dense?
it aint much to look at,but i think you get the point very well..richard is telling it like it is,and for that they kicked him off the board..it don’t take the movie of the week to see whats going on at urtv..
Geez “Producer Man” if there is nothing to hide why not have a record of the events as a reference point of discussions for items that might be tabled for another time and additionally if there is nothing to hide where are the board meeting minutes or why are they incomplete, where are the financials, etc. Open means open. Surely your not that ignorant Producer man,or are you?
A great program answering a lot of questions and correcting a bunch of misinterpretations by the “vocal minority”:
http://urtvforums.org/index.php/topic,1244.0.html
Hmmm… is there a reason this is only being presented “In House” rather then present it to other media sources? Could it be that the program would not pass muster as in true Factual information verfied by evidence???
Just a thought.
I for one was always happy to see Robin Cape sit in on board meetings.. It showed that someone from the city cared,and took the time to come see what we were up to.. Thank you Robin Cape ,and thank you for all that you have added to city counsel.. We will miss you…
I for one was always happy to see Robin Cape sit in on board meetings.. It showed that someone from the city cared,and took the time to come see what we were up to.. Thank you Robin Cape ,and thank you for all that you have added to city counsel.. We will miss you…