This afternoon, a judge raised the bonds of 11 suspects arrested in the May 1 vandalism spree in downtown Asheville. The 11 also face felony charges of incitement to riot, felony conspiracy and injury to building, fence or wall.
At the request of Assistant District Attorney Justin Steen, Judge Dennis Redwing raised the bonds for 10 of the 11 suspects from $10,000 to $50,000. Steen said the rise is justified because of “the gravity of the charges” and the fact that all but two of the suspects don’t live in Asheville.
The 11th suspect, Asheville resident Naomi Rachel Ullian had been released on bond earlier, but was arrested and handcuffed in front of the courtroom on the additional felony charges. She’s currently being held on a $42,000 bond. Ullian was the only one of the suspects arraigned in the courtroom. The others made their appearances by video and were polite in their interactions with Redwing.
All the suspects — except UNCA biology major Havely Carolyn Carsky, who said she would hire an attorney — asked for a public defender. Two of those arrested had affiliations with anarchist groups, and the Web site Anarchist news has posted a call for funds to help with their release. It’s still unclear if there was a particular grievance or goal behind the vandalism
The 11 will next be in court Tuesday, may 4, for arraignment on the felony charges.
— David Forbes, senior reporter
Jerks.
Wonderful news. some of there brats yearly tuition is over than the original 10k. Make em serve some real time.
Oh, my. Actually, no surprise, but oh so pitiful.
I really was hoping they could articulate some worthwhile focus for their violence, but their rationale seems to be non-existent.
These vandals are neither kids, nor anarchists, nor libertarians, nor libertarian anarchists, nor protesters of any discernible cause.
They are merely hoodlums, vandals, thugs, and domestic terrorists.
I really was hoping they could articulate some worthwhile cause for their violence, but their focus seems to be non-existent.
At least so far.
Please forgive me the repetitive sentence in my last post. I have spent the entire day out bashing and thrashing exotic invasive vegetation, and I am exhausted.
Either that, or senility has really set in. Perhaps smashing up downtown AVL would a’been an easier lifestyle choice.
Based on the commentary on the linked anews site, doesn’t look like they feel like ponying up for this one.
Serve ‘real time’ for smashing something? Thoughtless miscreants for sure. But, if Charles Diez got four months for firing a bullet into someones head area, then I think these kids should serve about 2 days.
pff – I’m wondering if you’re the same guy. Used to be you had all these buddies who did the same thing, but you called them oppressed artists.
What’s up with that?
[pff – I’m wondering if you’re the same guy. Used to be you had all these buddies who did the same thing, but you called them oppressed artists]
you are trolling, wrong, and way off topic. Go sit on a carrot.
[b]Serve ‘real time’ for smashing something?[/b]
Yes, real time for smashing in people’s cars and businesses. That was incredibly stupid and short sighted. Especially since they are very wealthy college brats.
Look, you MUST remember that every single person arrested is only a suspect. The people doing this were wearing masks, there is no way of knowing whether the people arrested were even part of this group. All we know is that these kids were downtown when shit went down.
So DON’T treat them as if they are already guilty of everything you imagine to have happened. Just because they got arrested doesn’t mean that they had anything to do with smashing any windows at all.
Its very sad. Its Class Warfare. They are outraged and they turned to rage and violence. If they think they are Anarchist let them be Anarchist who cares. Why the label? Chief Hogan suggests they be kicked out of college. Not a bad ideal as it could save them the debt. Nobody nows if these kids are wealthy either, reserve some judgment. Pasty Liberals are the real problem.
I do not condone the actions that happened however I hear all of the judgments that are being passed and I can speak for one individual who does not fit into any of these categories.
Havely Carsky is not an idiot, she is not violent or a spoiled brat. She has worked a job while attending UNC Asheville and has made the Dean’s List several times. She has a kind demeanor, she is honest and a very peaceful individual to be around.
I can only ask, if she is this way, maybe some of the others are too or perhaps the APD has falsely charged once again??
were they on meth? this is just crazy….
Honestly I have yet to hear of any evidence of these kids actually being the culprits. There was a sweep downtown and these these eleven were picked up. Have any of you read of these 11 actually being linked to the incidences besides being downtown?
The case against them sounds shoddy actually.
It looks like the APD isn’t going on much except a grainy video of people wearing dark cloths in masks.
I’m just happy I wasn’t downtown in my usual dark garb that night.
pff – I’m wondering if you’re the same guy. Used to be you had all these buddies who did the same thing, but you called them oppressed artists.
What’s up with that?
I can’t believe Haverly would do something like this………………
I can’t go sit on a carrot, I’m busy keeping vandals with spray paint away from my business.
some good may come of it. this site:
http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/11199&page=3
has pages and pages of comment about the incident, with most folks wondering what it accomplished, while this site:
http://denverabc.wordpress.com/
posted a “we don’t like you” thing and is censoring hundreds of comments.
Our young people have a chance to learn about the authoritarian nature of some anti-authoritarian movements.
[b]vandals wi[b]Nobody nows if these kids are wealthy either, reserve some judgment[/b]
Kids who go to goddard and can afford big chest tattoos are not poor. I’ve known plenty of these trust fund anarchists in my life of doing constructive activist work, and they are all incredibly well off. I am perfectly comfortable with my judgment.
[b]vandals wiNobody nows if these kids are wealthy either, reserve some judgment[/b]
Kids who go to goddard and can afford big chest tattoos are not poor. I’ve known plenty of these trust fund anarchists in my life of doing constructive activist work, and they are all incredibly well off. I am perfectly comfortable with my judgment.
As mentioned by the anonymous poster above your personal judgments neither help your argument nor do they prove anything except your resentful of a kid who went to Goddard and has a tattoo. Also it hasn’t even been proven these kids are “anarchist”. Come on your low level internet research should have come up with at least that fact.
Only 2 out of 11 have even been accused of being “anarchist” which also doesn’t prove there guilty. One supposedly has been part of a community group that “engaged in many local projects including counter-recruitment work, community gardens, prisoner support, legal work for dissidents and working class people, anti-racist education, and neighborhood organizing.”(Kansas Mutual Aid myspace) Scary stuff! hehe…The mere definition of mutual aid is so frighting, an equal exchange between people. Come on.
These people rounded up deserve to be heard and as stated by the above posters I have yet to hear of any evidence against these individuals.
Get your shit straight and take a breather. Your letting your own hangups get in the way of your critical thinking.
I just chased off a bunch of spray paint wielding oppressed artists. I don’t mind though, cuz they weren’t spoiled rich kids and that’s totally different.
I whistle with joy when I pay the fine and clean up costs of the oppressed artist’s mess … uh … I mean artistic expression.
I hope these kids get the stiffest penalty!!!
According to Naomi Ullian’s facebook profile, she graduated from Stanford, which costs about $50,000 a year.
Jr, I actually agree that taggers are selfish little pricks. Taking initiative to beautify a rundown wall somewhere with art doesn’t bother me, but scrawling tags on privately owned buildings is unconscionable.
The first time that I got a threatening letter from the city, demanding that I pay to have a building that I am struggling to pay the bills for repainted, or be fined a great deal of money, made me feel victimized twice; first by the imbecilic taggers, and then by the city.
Every time I repaint it, it is spray-painted with tags again. I’m not poor, but it is a struggle to pay the bills, and my anger towards those arrogant little bastards is pretty severe. When I can’t afford to fix a whole in my tooth, it makes me pretty fricking resentful to have to pay to clean up their crap.
All Taggers should have to clean it off with a toothbrush. Regardless of their demographic.
As a bondsman I am happy to say I will be posting bond for 1 of these people tomorrow, and then I’m going to Disney world. haha, not really, but i could
Are your ears burning pffy?
Taggers have nothing to do with this topic….trolls
Taggers have nothing to do with the topic of vandalism in Asheville? That is ridiculous. Personally, I don’t even mind when a graffiti artist improves a space, it can even be a gift, but taggers are vermin. I’d love to see if you still felt the same way when vandals, taggers or otherwise, start destroying your property.
“Look, you MUST remember that every single person arrested is only a suspect. The people doing this were wearing masks, there is no way of knowing whether the people arrested were even part of this group. All we know is that these kids were downtown when shit went down.
So DON’T treat them as if they are already guilty of everything you imagine to have happened. Just because they got arrested doesn’t mean that they had anything to do with smashing any windows at all. ” by Anonymous
No we don’t have to remember anything of the sort. The court must refrain from judging guilt or innocence…but the court of public opinion does not. When the miscreants were planning their little smash and dash party, they should hve done some investigating into Asheville’s ability to catch most criminals pretty quickly.
Jesus may forgive thme for their mis-deeds…but I don’t.
Who cares about silly evidence. And never mind the courts, use google and gather low level internet research that you couldn’t even use in a term paper. No proof that these were even those who smashed things up? Your right just like in the old days just hang ’em. What good is proof when there’s suspicion. Jail a bunch of random kids picked up at Pritchard park on a saturday night.
Tagging is completely relevant to this conversation as a certain poster here seems to want to hang these “spoiled rich kids” but totally excuses taggers. There is no difference between the two crimes. The poster seems unwilling to explain why there is a difference.
When I heard someone drove a bulldozer into the new Mall-Wart, I cheered. When Staples moved in, I was sad. When I heard about this, I was apalled! Grove Arcade has, what, 2 chain stores in the whole thing? I’ve met Naomi a couple times, I thought she had some sense. What were they thinking? Parked cars and planters, REALLY?
Are you working for big business? ‘Cause y’all have really discredited the activist and anarchist movements here.
@ Josh,
Why don’t you use your real name???? Then you might have some credibility.
Same to you Davyne~music man
Josh – my favorite guilt or innocence test is the sink or swim scenario. If you can swim, you are guilty. If you sink, you are innocent.
This test is about as rational as your presumptions.
@JWTJr
And which part of my post was a presumptuous?
Jwt i really dont know what you keep trolling of for but it just further cements your sold as an off topic troll. Unless yr still under the impression this has ANYTHING to do with people taging your pretend business. it is quite pitiful that this website apparently cant manage to actually moderate their threads
Jwt i really dont know what you keep trolling of for but it just further cements your sold as an off topic troll. Unless yr still under the impression this has ANYTHING to do with people taging your pretend business. it is quite pitiful that this website apparently cant manage to actually moderate their threads
‘a bunch of random kids picked up in prichard park’ do you REALLY think any of us believe that? The argument is laughably stupid. Yr lil poser friends are going to serve time and will never be welcome in this community ever again. And next year the REAL anarchist community will be downtown to make sure we find you BEFORE the cops do. Lets see mom n dad bail you out of a sink hole in jackson county
I think that it’s pretty obvious to us all that the cops caught the right group. For one thing, the police were on the spot in *minutes*…a group of folks trying to run away from the scene would’ve been fairly easy to identify.
also, the majority of this group were from out of town and are unlikely to just have been “hanging out” at Pritchard Park at 11pm.
Additionally, I know for a fact that several of these “activists” were trying to acquire spray paint and suchlike the day before the incident. I happen to have some of it on video, matter of fact. I am able to pretty clearly identify at least three of these “suspects” from the video in my possession plus their mug shots.
of course, it is up to the courts to determine all of the facts – but I suspect most of these morons will plead down/guilty before it even comes to that.
Does anyone know what happened to the other two dozen vandals who were reported by eyewitnesses and videotaped, in addition to the eleven arrested?
of course, it is up to the courts to determine all of the facts – but I suspect most of these morons will plead down/guilty before it even comes to that.
Should we start a betting pool on which kid rats out the others first?
“Should we start a betting pool on which kid rats out the others first? “
Why not? I’m betting on the most privileged (moneyed) Sitwell School or Charleston vandals.
I am guessing the one with the biggest trust fund will rat first.
For the record, I would like it to be understood that while I suspect the majority of those arrested are most likely guilty, the bulk of my derision is for ALL who participated, not just those who got caught.
Asheville is a tight community, and those of you who avoided detection that night will be found out soon enough. So i suggest you GTFO of this town REAL quick and go back to your expensive colleges and mom and dad’s privilege. You have proven you are unable to manage your own emotions or make educated decisions, and are basically a bunch of tatood half-educated jocks who pretend to be politically aware.
I hate you all, and I look forward to our own community regulating spoiled brats like you even better in the future.
The entire “@narchist” community needs to call these idiots out more, and stop accepting them into the ‘club’ just because they read the right books. Behavior like this is UNACCEPTABLE, not to mention an out-date tactic with no obvious function in this articular setting.
WHOEVER did this were clearly a bunch of spoiled brats who have no idea what they are doing or thinking. Unless of course your purpose was to malign all those in Asheville who do REAL work and identify with the circle A, which you have certainly done, as well as further justify a more-militarized police presence in our little town.
So thanks for that little consequence of your actions that will be felt by those who actually LIVE int he region (which must be why nearly all of you came from out of town-i guess oyou didn’t want to poop in your OWN catbox.)
Also, moderator: can you explain to me what the heck JWT is babbling about?
Josh- Perhaps you are as unaware as you r little buddies who got caught, but this is a semi-public forum and not a court of law. We are all entitled to our opinions and assumptions (which, by the way, continue to be proven true as we learn more about the suspects and their cushy home lives).
[b]Get your shit straight and take a breather. Your letting your own hangups get in the way of your critical thinking. [/b]
How ironic. That’s what i think about the immature little spoiled brats who did this nonsensical ‘actions’. As for my ‘assumptions’ about these idiots; well, they just keep getting proven to be true- just rich white kids with a lot of anger at their wealthy parents. Not exactly a leap in logic for those of us who’ve had to deal with these same types for years as they rise up in rage after reading a chomsky book for the first time.
>>>I think that it’s pretty obvious to us all that the cops caught the right group. For one thing, the police were on the spot in *minutes*…a group of folks trying to run away from the scene would’ve been fairly easy to identify.< << You seem to know more then then the media. Please do tell me where you read these facts and where these *running* individuals were caught. Also it wasn't in minutes it was in a thirty minute period, that's been reported(could they have been running from the scene for thirty minutes, maybe they were running in circles). >>>>also, the majority of this group were from out of town and are unlikely to just have been “hanging out” at Pritchard Park at 11pm< << Yeah everyone knows the majority of people in Asheville are from here and those who hang out downtown are definitely exclusively Asheville residents. Whens the last time you met somebody from another place hanging out in asheville on a beautiful day/night? >>>
Additionally, I know for a fact that several of these “activists” were trying to acquire spray paint and suchlike the day before the incident. I happen to have some of it on video, matter of fact. I am able to pretty clearly identify at least three of these “suspects” from the video in my possession plus their mug shots. < << really? Guess they decided your prices were too high because I haven't read anything being spray painted. But I'm excited to see your video. >>>I hate you all, and I look forward to our own community regulating spoiled brats like you even better in the future. < << "Spoiled brats...spoiled brats". Did you not get into your collage of your choice? Couldn't afford it? Didn't come from a well off family? Me neither...move on. A few of these kids do come from privileged backgrounds, thats been reported. But there are more then a few posters on here that are also in that boat. This doesn't prove much of anything except you have deep seeded contempt for those with money. I share your contempt for the privleged. But that isn't really relevant in this situation. >>>Josh- Perhaps you are as unaware as you r little buddies who got caught, but this is a semi-public forum and not a court of law. We are all entitled to our opinions and assumptions (which, by the way, continue to be proven true as we learn more about the suspects and their cushy home lives).<<< Not my Buddies but it's funny how one can voice a dissenting voice and all of a sudden your with the "enemy". I'm not taking it personal. Your either with us or against us, I get it. And again your upset about something else. What was it? Could you not afford to goto duke? Did a Anarchist hurt your feelings in high school?
Now they’re over @ Scroo hu…trying to spread their ridiculous justifications.
http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/05/05/what-were-they-thinking-2/comment-page-1/#comment-42382
These kids remind me of nothing more than the scene in Talladega Nights with the red-headed kid running around screaming “Anarchy! Anarchy! I don’t know what that means, but I love it!” Truly a shameful waste of resources all the way around. I wonder how many dollars are being spent on electricity and internet connectivity to argue this issue.
pff … did you not use another name earlier here on MX something like PKff? If so, you know exactly what I’m talking about and its totally relevant to your comments.
If that wasn’t you, just so you know, that person stood up for the actions of the taggers repeatedly when the police cracked down a year or so ago. It seems to me hypocritical to think tagging is ok and what happened recently is not ok.
Jw you poor thing. Your really losing sleep over this arent you? Tell you what, start a thread about it and ill explain to you everything you would ever need to know about the complexities of an intelligent, thinking, nuanced mind. Not that i hold out any hope you will be satisfied nor understand.
You’ve got me way beat on word count. Who’s losing sleep? I busted you and you know it.
[b]I busted you and you know it. [/b]
Goodness, you certainly have exposed me as having differing opinions on essentially unrelated topics.
Like i said, start a thread, troll.
[b]moderators:[/b]
Can you explain why JWT’s entirely unrelated comments continue to appear in this thread? Do I have to tweet someone to get some fecking moderation here? (or is it only reserved for people who use the word “Stupid” in its proper context?)
Soo sensitive … moderator …. help! I don’t like what someone is saying … pointing out that I’m a hypocrite … censor them for me won’t you? I can’t take it.
[b]Soo sensitive … moderator …. help! I don’t like what someone is saying … pointing out that I’m a hypocrite … censor them for me won’t you? I can’t take it.[/b]
God you are flicking pitifully stupid.
Yes, i want them to “censor” you from badgering me about something that has nothing to do with this subject whatsoever, in the same way they tut-tut people like shad for using a word like “Stupid.”
F#cking moron.
hey, i made you a thread for you to badger me on:
http://www.mountainx.com/forums/viewthread/3371/
Feel free to ask me all kinds of things that confuse you, like why the sun rises in the east, or why you are a moron.
Josh – “it wasn’t in minutes it was in a thirty minute period, that’s been reported(could they have been running from the scene for thirty minutes, maybe they were running in circles).”
Well, the chief of police (and quite a few twitter ‘witnesses’ would seem to confirm that the po-lice got there pronto – within 5 minutes or suchlike. google it for yerself, I’m too lazy.
Josh – “Whens the last time you met somebody from another place hanging out in asheville on a beautiful day/night?”
Beautiful day, maybe one thing. 11pm at night? only folks gonna be “hanging” in Pritchard park are local homeless or worse. Seriously, the vistors/tourists would be at a local bar or hanging at a party. not *there* ick.
Josh – “Guess they decided your prices were too high because I haven’t read anything being spray painted.”
No, I don’t sell spray paint.
and for pretty much exactly this reason.
When the store did stock it, it never “sold” but somehow it was always missing from the shelf…and there was a consistently a lot of uber-crappy sprayed tags around.
It would clearly have nothing at all to do with my pricing, since these non-customers dont’ actually “buy” the stuff- they seem to take some sort of bizarre pride in stealing it.
Thus, no more sales of spray paint at the downtown art supply store. We’re not cool with that. the end.
This is delicious. Tell us why I’m wrong. Why some vandalism should be accepted and some not. I’m sure the business owners affected by both are eager to hear your position.
[b]I’m sure the business owners affected by both are eager to hear your position. [/b]
No, I’m pretty sure it’s just you all bent out of shape over my opinions.
Like i said, i made you your very own thread to complain about me here:
http://www.mountainx.com/forums/viewthread/3371/
Or are you just a little troll not interested in constructive dialogue? The choice is yours.
This is the best place for you to explain why the damage done by taggers is different than these spoiled rick kids you have so much disdain for. I’m pretty sure you are wrong if you think the business owners effected by taggers will agree with you that they should just grin and bear it.
Those damaging someone else’s property for any reason are committing the same crime.
Moderator,
piffy is name calling.
Admonish him!
jw, i made you a thread for your off-topic nonsense. Your very own thread, and you still insist upon babbling about nothing.
Obviously, you are a Troll with no useful value.
tell you what, jw. Go back and find whatever quote you think you are remembering, in its original the context, and i’ll explain to you the complicated world of someone who has differing opinions on different subjects. It’ll blow your mind!
Or, continue to act like a child on this thread. It’s you ass showing, not mine.
But here’s a teaser that’ll confuse the heck outta ya; I’m not all that angry that these guys broke shit. Smashy smashy is not inherently a bad tactic. Im just mad they broke shit with no real cause or purpose. And i’m really only salty about them hitting local businesses and people scars. i could give two craps about the ACT building or any of the banks. Now, let that marinate in your pea-brained little dichotomous brain and see if it’ll explode from the subtle nuance.
Oh, I get it now, if you have a cause, you get to pick out totally innocent and random people and break their stuff.
Nice.
Do you actually respond to what others write, or do you just jumble some words together and call it good?
Because you are just making shit up at this point.
Hey JW, remember that time you raped a puppy and said you worshipped satan?
You distractions are only that. Try more if you want. I’ve stuck to the point. You change the subject because your positions are inconsistent.
Like I said, produce the quote, in its original context, so i know what in gods name you are referring to. Otherwise, you’re just a troll screaming absurdities as usual.
http://www.mountainx.com/forums/viewthread/3371/
Are you [i]scared[/i] of using the forums?
I have no interest in your little forum club especially when this thread is so on topic.
Just explain why taggers are different than these Anarchists. Its that simple. If there is no difference, then we are done. If you keep dancing around things, then we’ll all know that you apply a double standard to your tagger buddies.
Come on piffy, tell us why certain types of vandalism are acceptable. We’re all listening.
Oh, I get it now. Graffiti is a privilege the recipient should be honored to receive.
What they do isn’t private property damage. Its a sweet gift that comes with a fine if you don’t clean it up.
I can’t wait for my time. I’m sure that the Asheville city business owners are on pins and needles too.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Because i dont.
Or are you just making things up?
Feel free to substantiate your allegations with actual evidence and quotes, in their context and we can have an actual discussion.
As it stands now, you are just trolling for attention. Try porn, you may find it a more satisfying experience than trolling me with nor clue of what you are referring to.
[b]I have no interest in your little forum club especially when this thread is so on topic. [/b]
No, you have no interest in providing any evidence to back up your nonsensical allegations.
All you have to do is agree that graffiti on someone’s private property is just as bad as what this group did and I’ll leave you alone.
A significant amount of graffiti has the permission of the property owner, some is done BY the property owner, and more has the passive tolerance of owners who don’t mind the wood protection from a bit of added paint. The primary violation of property rights comes from the NIMBYs and cities who force owners to remove graffiti. The property violation of the graffiti producers is quite secondary.
It looks to me like the police and DA are wasting their time on nonviolent action against some luxury glass on which nobody depended, when they have antigay and antihomeless violent hate crimes to investigate
“A significant amount of graffiti has the permission of the property owner, some is done BY the property owner, and more has the passive tolerance of owners who don’t mind the wood protection from a bit of added paint.”
If the property owner who agrees to have their property painted lives in a jurisdiction where they will have to remove the paint or face consequences, that is their decision.
For those that do not want to be in that position, they have been wronged and the guilty party needs to be punished as any vandal.
This was a good move. Now, if we could just get these ‘tards tried in NYC, all would be good.