Chad Nesbitt, others targeted in gambling raid

On Feb. 24, state Alcohol Law Enforcement agents carried out a raid on property maintained by business owner and conservative activist Chad Nesbitt, which ALE officials claim targeted illegal poker games that have been going at the site. No arrests were made — and the investigation continues.

“We’re still going through the documents and evidence we got,” ALE District Supervisor Allen Page told Xpress. “Once we do that, we’ll put a package together, sit down with [District Attorney] Ron Moore and decide where to go from there.”

Page also said that the ALE had conducted the raid in conjunction with the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office, which keeps a record of such an occurrence if it involves deputies. However, Deputy J.E. Allen, who handles incident reports for the Sherriff’s office, had no record of the raid.

Nesbitt called the allegations “totally false” and said that the raid was “blatant intimidation,” in response to efforts to uncover alleged corruption in the Buncombe County District Attorney’s office. His grandfather, Jim Rhew, owns the property, but Nesbitt maintains a convenience store on it, along with the two-story building that was the site of his now defunct Legends sports bar.

“We’d held a public meeting the day before at Erwin High School highlighting gang activity and a lot of cases that are getting voluntarily dismissed,” Nesbitt said, adding that they also criticized plea deals offered by the District Attorney’s Office. “About 65 people showed up to that. Then the next night the ALE and Sheriff’s deputies raid our place.”

Nesbitt said he’s given some of the evidence the group has uncovered to the U.S. Department of Justice.

He said that Sunday night poker games do go on at the location, but that they don’t involve cash. The warrant claims that over $3,500 in cash was confiscated on the site, along with poker chips.

“It’s just some guys playing cards, most of them are retired — big whoop. There was no money on the tables,” he told Xpress. Nesbitt maintains that the cash was just what the poker players had in their pockets — and wasn’t being used for gambling.

On the search warrant for the raid, ALE claims that it received complaints in July that the site was being used for gambling, including reports of video poker machines on the second floor. The search warrant also claims that an ABC establishment was being operated on the site. Nesbitt said he had closed down his bar in June of 2006, and had notified ALE Agent Steven Myers, who was, ironically, the agent filing for the warrant.

Myers claimed in the warrant application that the ABC permits were cancelled last November, that agents had surveilled the site intermittently since last July and had seen 12 to 20 vehicles from as far away as Mount Airy and Bakersville parked there on Sunday nights. He also said that they had received word, including from an unidentified informant, that the site was being used for high-stakes poker games. According to the warrant, at least eight other people aside from Nesbitt and Rhew were searched.

Page declined to comment when asked if the investigation is tied to investigations into video poker operations in Buncombe County.

Nesbitt is the founder of the Carolina Stompers, a conservative group that has drawn its share of controversy at both local and state levels.

— David Forbes, staff writer


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61 thoughts on “Chad Nesbitt, others targeted in gambling raid

  1. travelah

    $3,500 cash at a poker game and nobody was gambling … er .. ok …. not that I really care. The Feds certainly have better things to do than bust up a poker game. But nonetheless, Chad, come on LOL.

  2. Don Yelton

    the ALE and Sheriff are not the FEDS except here in Asheville where the “to be Sheriff” Van Duncan called the FBI inside the sheriffs office to report what Bridges had told him and that “FBI” man called the FBI tip line to report wrong doings by Medford….sounds like a round robin in both cases and our chief law enforcement Ron Moore was never involved or knew anything??????
    come on who believes that?

    I suggest that you look at the list of people that were at the golf outings. Are any of them now in office or running for office.

    Everyone knows and suspected the attacks to begin on Chad and the “Stompers”. Intimidation has been used by the power structure since the time of the Wilmington Race Riots.

    How many people know of cases of intimidation and pay to play. Check the registrations of the main people involved in education. Did you folks know that NC has four times the national rate of sexual offenses by teachers against students.

    We have become a santuary state for many illegal things. The stompers are shining a light on those corrupt events within the courts.

  3. Gordon Smith

    Lord knows I’m no fan of Chad Nesbitt, but this sounds like a bunch of guys having a card game and some drinks. Ron Moore’s ears have been burning for a while now though, and a lot of the heat may have been coming out of that card game.

    I’ll look forward to hearing more.

  4. travelah

    Don, you are right ….. ok, the Staties have better things to do …. happy now? .. (just don’t say there was no gambling going on .. you will look at idiotic as Chad)

  5. justwantfairplay

    I remember my husband playing poker for pennies. Who cares. The fact that this was arranged right after the meeting is as plain as the nose on Ron Moores face. The good news is that Fox news is looking into investigating again. People disappear. What happened to John Morse. They Say heart attach but the guy that laced his crack with rat poison, so he could not talk, has been talking.
    What about the girls that drove the coke from Charlotte to Ron’s trunk? Who is Jay Biggs? Why is the Mayor’s brother not been to court yet? I don’t think I need to go on.

  6. justwantfairplay

    Who do people want to ignore what is so obvious? This town is not the happiest place in the world to live. If you are into yourself and live in your little la la land maybe it is. But if you work with the disadvantaged who use the court system or use drugs as medication you see the corruption. If you know the family of someone who has been found dead under odd circumstances or wondered why some people never actually go to court for their charges and yet others go quickly and get the book thrown at them for the same thing, you might have to wonder. But do not turn your head. What happened to Chad’s grandfather was terrible. I was at the meeting on Sat. morning and they have Ron Moore dead to rights. Then this happens. Every one gets afraid. I, myself, have never been afraid of a bully because I know that he is shaking in his boots because Fox news is coming and he will shame his sweet wife and kids and family.

  7. shadmarsh

    wow, gambling on a Sunday! It is hard to believe an upright defender of all things Jesus and Holy such as Stomper numero uno Mr. Nesbitt would ever take part in such blasphemy (and drinking too! ). Or did they start their own church too? One from more a pure and enlightened dogma, that condones such things?

    are you suggesting that since because this state has “four times the national rate of sexual offenses by teachers against students.” that it is ok for Mr. Nesbitt to brake the law (allegedly)? because that would be a stretch–even by wing-nut logic.

  8. This merely proves the rightousness of the Stompers. They are obviously being persecuted for their religious beliefs by that Atheist Van Duncan.


    Unfortunately, U.S.citizens have no rights in these matters under the search and seizure asset forfeiture laws, passed in the mid 80s, which are all under Article 4 admiralty law,. as delineated in U.S.C. Title 18 and the Federal Drug Act of 1970..
    The raid, though it appears to be an act of the STATE, is indeed, actually a Federal raid under U.S.C. Title 18 and 28. and of course, under the amendment that created a new form of federal Slave and citizen, the 14th amendment, the amendment that turned you into a tax paying U.S. citizen, unable to protest the national debt , Gee…. WHY…CAUSE YOUR PLEDGED TO PAY IT , LIKE THE SERFS THAT YOU ARE. READ IT
    Surprisingly, most so called conservative windbags {like those on this blog} who are antidrug, do not realize that the government under the auspices of fighting drugs, has given its self-total power over the formally sovereign several states, under Federal law, a prime example would be the intrusion into the states in the early 1900’s under the guise of fighting opium .
    Opium is a far less destructive substance( and received well by the brain) than alcohol, a drug, which they give to you abundantly to both pacify and regulate you in a commercial venue and to of course then turn you into a legal fiction, with an all capitalized name, which they regulate and control in a corporate trust capacity. However, this is over most of your heads and your pyridine structure, as flag waving neocons, so I shall cut to the chase.
    I don’t know if someone has bothered to check the warrant served on Mr. Nesbitt , it must have certain elements contained therein, in order to be valid and lawful..
    The warrant, must also be signed by the complaining party, with an oath, under pains and penalties of perjury, it must have a seal of a court affixed and a signature of a Judge, with a valid Article 6 section 7 North Carolina constitutional oath of office, it must also delineate the items to be searched and the property to be seized and the “persons” suspected of criminal activity. Most importantly, it must have an affidavit of probable cause attached TO THE WARRANT from the complaining party, signed under penalties of perjury.
    I already know that the Judge has no oath; unfortunately, as Don has told me, people think I am and crazy. Moreover, that would be because people are stupid sheep.
    Go to N.C.G.S 11..11 please read carefully and see that the Article 6 section 7 North Carolina constitutional oath, must be taken before the elected official can assume the office, NO JUDGE IN THE ENTIRE STATE HAS IT, NO DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS IT EITHER, PERIOD. Therefore, all the acts committed against Mr. Nesbitt are a violation of N,C.G.S. 14-229 acting in the capacity of an officer, before qualifying as such.
    There is a remedy for this matter, however, Id never discuss it on this blog, as the blog is being monitored.
    In closing let me say I am not and attorney and I do not give legal advice, nor do I practice law as I know what the hell I’m doing,.Nor do I have a license to practice law, as no licenses to practice law exist!!!
    This Blog and my comments are for entertainment and recreational purposes only. I do however, read on a 23rd grade level, like the founding fathers and the evil individuals who master mind these intrusive acts, against the ignorant sheep.
    Unless you take the time to study the law, instead of drinking beer, playing cards, waving U.S war flags, watching NASCAR and listening to a moron like Rush Limbaugh, whilst watching the government propaganda on Fox news and listening to your lying, ignorant, 501c3 government pastors, you’ll remain at the mercy of these Federal slave task masters, who, unlike you, know the criminal statutory law and know how to wield it against you.
    If you expect attorneys to help in these matters, your further deluded, as they are apart of the Federal scheme and are pledged to protect the corporate STATE, which is a Federal insular procession
    In closing, let me say, waving flags and espousing so-called conservative philosophies , when most of you tax paying serfs would not know a conservative if they hit you over the head, is not going to get it..
    Its time for you to face the fact, that your government was taken over a long time ago, circa 1933 and by men who are much smarter than you.
    God help you all, if you all believe that your bipartisan hoopla and politics, .can save you now. Your joke ballot box, is a carefully designed ruse, specifically designed to pacify and to give to you, the illusion. that you have a say in the political affairs of this Federal plantation, it.can not help you, at this very late juncture..
    Most of you are totally unaware, your getting ready to enter the North American Union, that is, after the corporate powers that rule over you, implode the dollar, take away all your rights and your guns.
    It has been my experience that most loud mouth conservatives will be the first to acquiesce to THE GODVEREMNT, while their corporate 501c3 Republican pastors quote Romans 13 to pacify them into doing so..
    If you are smart, you might want to read H.R. 1959 to find out what they really have in store for you , you like sheep are all mere “persons” owned by the State because you have agreed to be corporate officers of a legal fiction like CHAD NESBITT Inc. As long as you agree to be corporations, contract, and register your property with a legal fiction, which is what the STATE is, and unless you renounce tyranny, like free men do, they will rule over you
    People never learn, because people are sheepole, caught in the Dialect

  10. ThommyC

    Well,well, I guess I might be next Chad,I know how dirty the ALE is along with the SBI,and Ron Moore,Its just a matter of time until their intimaidaion days just may be over with.Keep shining a light on those corrupt events,Pay day is coming.There are a lot of others watching all this verry closely,So hang on to your saddle and don’t give in to that bunch.

  11. Sammy

    Page also said that the ALE had conducted the raid in conjunction with the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office, which keeps a record of such an occurrence if it involves deputies. However, Deputy J.E. Allen, who handles incident reports for the Sherriff’s office, had no record of the raid. Is Mr. Allen with the sheriff’s office saying that Allen Page is not being trueful here.

  12. Carrie

    Don Y: Nice try on the shifting of topics. Clearly this has everyhting to do with teacher sex offenders.

  13. Sam

    Chad and Don get off your high horse. I lived in the apartment next door to the store and was able to observe more than I wanted. Tip Boards, Large racing pools on the tip board. So don’t play the high and mighty crap with me. You defend Medford cause he was wrong and I knew why. I wish every corrupt person in this country, Dem. or Rep. was rounded up and locked away for a long time. America is tired of the CRAP. I will testify if they call.

  14. Cecil Bothwell

    Seems to me that anyone who goes after law enforcement officials for alleged corruption would be well advised not to engage in illegal behavior or behavior which could be plausibly deemed to be illegal.

    Sounds a lot like wanting to have one’s cake and eat it too. The Stompers ought to stick to Scrabble.

  15. Don Yelton

    I am not shifting topics just pointing out how if you stand for what is right in Buncombe you will be attacked, If you are part of the system you can get along regardless of your actions.

  16. Ashevegasjoe

    How ironic, the conservatives were just praising the cops and saying how they didn’t need any outside oversight, now that Chad got popped, the police are corrupt and this situation should be investigated? The world goes ’round in a circle!

  17. Rob Close

    the stompers were organizing against Ron Moore & his alleged coke-running for months.


    I am continually astounded by the ignorant comments on this blog.The polarizing spins on this Nesbitt situation, are the inane, endless banter of fools.
    There is no private interpretation of this matter; this travesty committed against Chad, is indicative of just how trite, ignorant, and juvenile, U.S. citizens are in failing to see the real undying demon behind the raid, which is the government’s hyper accelerating attack, on our freedoms and liberties and the manifestation of those unalienable rights, which are the security and sanctity of our so called private property, this is the issue at hand and should in theory, affect all, instead, these topics are like throwing pearls before a herd of swine, a herd who through some 70 odd years of brain washing governmental indoctrination, do not understand the first thing about their relationship with government and its limited purpose.
    This Nesbitt situation should coalesce people against the common enemy, which we all struggle, instead, it is a source of consternation and the cause of trivial personality clashes, while the real truth of the matter is being obfuscated. Look at the following bullet points
    1. The raid is indicative of the retaliatory, malicious and punitive nature of those masquerading as law enforcement officers and officials without proper oaths of office, who, with impunity, carry out raids in violation of the fourth amendment.
    2. Unbeknownst to the average moron U.S. sheep person, these raids are frequent on Federal, State and County levels, all of the afore mentioned entities, actually being part of the same conglomerate, insurgent, Federal occupiers, who have subverted the constitution and who now rule by domestic terrorism and commercial statutory law, breaking into private citizens homes and business’s, without due process and proper 4 th amendment warrants of probable cause, signed under pains and penalties of perjury.
    3.The FBI and their State counter parts, the S.B.I. are all apart of the great big Federal family of Gestapo like agencies, that investigate “persons of interest”, under an operation called cointellopro , which was first devised by none other than the cross dressing Nazi, J. Edgar Hoover.
    Both DonYelton and Chad Nesbitt, or literally anybody for that matter, who tries to investigate, question, these occupiers, can and will be targeted under conintellpro.
    Numerous political groups in the Asheville area have been shut down and targeted, stalked and have had members and participates of these organizations, subjected to having their homes broken into, computers stolen, records and documents unlawfully seized, all done BY State and Federal officials acting under Federal commercial contract law, which has been statutized and monetized.
    In short, Chad didn’t injure anyone, he did possibly injure a commercial statue of a corporation, which is all “THIS STATE”, as it calls itself, really is.
    4.This is not America any more, this is a Nazi, fascist, socialist, government, operating under color of law, who by now, having their previously very limited Federal powers, vastly exacerbated and augmented, (by such treasonist acts as the Patriot Act and H.R. 1959) are now turning their evil little sights, on the hapless and defenseless, legally Illiterate, U.S. citizen sheep population, ratcheting up commercial statutory charges, with unconstitutional writs of pains and penalties , which have monetary bonds attached, in an attempt to both raise revenue and suppress political dissent and thought.
    The few, cognizant, politically active, minority of citizens of this nation, are now deemed, enemies of the State, because they have the audacity to profess that they have constitutionally secured rights, which of course they don’t and have not had, since April of 1933.
    5, Instead of joining hands and reacting as a unified defense field against this insurgent attack against the republic and the several states By these fascists, we instead have descended into childish personal banter, which, plays right into the hands of these tyrants, who now rule over people by both Fear (false evidence appearing as reality) and the exploitation of ignorance and trust me, U.S. citizens are dumb ignorant bunnies.
    6. Indictment of Mr. Nesbitt under the commercial admiralty laws of both State and Federal statues is very possible, despite any criminal activity on his part, there no longer has to be an injured party in any of these matters, all that is necessary is that some Federal or State statue with a bonded monetary amount affixed to it has been violated under contract admiralty law.
    Mr. Nesbitt’s evidence of a contract was, allegedly, that there was a license granted by the State, to engage in some commercial activity. A license is a privilege granted for an act that would otherwise be Illegal, is Marriage Illegal, is Business illegal, Hunting upon Gods land illegal? Is the worship of GOD in a non-government run 501c3 church illegal without a STATE issued licence?
    7. Simply put if you enter into unlawful uni lateral contract’s with the Federal government and it’s sub jurisdiction, the “States”, which are mere federal insular territories, then don’t be surprised when your raided and violated, as you have no rights as U.S citizens see U.S vs. Valentine which states “The only unqualified right of a U.S. citizen is to reside on territories and or processions of the United States”.
    Under U.S vs. Babcock you have no remedy in law in any U.S. Article 4 territorial court, if you’re a U.S. citizen, you simply put, are tax paying piece’s of chattel property, pledged under the 14 the amendment to pay the national debt of some estimated 55 trillion.
    8. Why don’t we rally around Chad and Don for a change, like them or not, they have the courage to confront domestic terrorism on a governmental level. Time to stop listening to Kentucky Fried Chicken eat’in government licensed Southern Baptist pastors, who misquote Romans 13 and tell you that these Nazi Jackboots who have since 1868 ruled over us, are the God ordained higher powers. God doesn’t want his people ruled by thugs, tyrants. Liars and oppressors. Now let us join hands as one big family against the real monsters and take back our country from Satan.

  19. Carrie

    Dr. Antineoconus: You had me at “average moron U.S. sheep person”!

    Since you feel you have the monopoly on intellect, I’ll just be on my merry way….hangin’ out with Satan.

  20. Sam

    Dr. Anti, Read my post brother. I saw what went on with my own eyes. Chad needs to come clean. Let me put it in a way you might just understand.

    When you are robbing Peter(people addicted to gambling) to pay Paul(people who back him because they see the money he gives) Paul will always support that. Does not make it right.

    By the way ,you don’t have to right a darn book to make a point.


    Very Clever psychobable Shadmarsh nice attempt to label me typical of the Fox news mentaility of u.S citizens
    I however use the term Nazi accurately,tell me the differance between Hitler’s enabling acts and the Patriot act.Case closed.
    As for the rageaholic label anything which elicits cognitive dissonance from a dumbed down U.S.population is considered to be hate speech or rage.
    If people I mean Sheep were to use more rage and less submission they might manage to extricate themselves from the Federal Plantation they now find thenselves on.
    By the way Id say the U.S. qualifies as a socialist Fascist state wouldnt you. The term is really has no one meaning.

  22. Shadmarsh:

    Godwin’s Law is a misinterpretation of the original usenet posting.
    From his own words:
    ‘I developed Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion
    grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or
    Hitler approaches one.

    Here is from a wired article (the link no ,longer works, but I saved the original page):

    I seeded Godwin’s Law in any newsgroup or topic where I saw a
    gratuitous Nazi reference. Soon, to my surprise, other people were
    citing it – the counter-meme was reproducing on its own! And it
    mutated like a meme, generating corollaries like the following:

    Gordon’s Restatement of Newman’s Corollary to Godwin’s Law:
    Libertarianism (pro, con, and internal faction fights) is the
    primordial discussion topic. Any time the debate shifts
    somewhere else, it must eventually return to this fuel source.

    Morgan’s Corollary to Godwin’s Law: As soon as such a comparison
    occurs, someone will start a Nazi-discussion thread on

    Sircar’s Corollary: If the Usenet discussion touches on homosexuality
    or Heinlein, Nazis or Hitler are mentioned within three days.

    Van der Leun’s Corollary: As global connectivity improves, the
    probability of actual Nazis being on the Net approaches one.

    Miller’s Paradox: As a network evolves, the number of Nazi comparisons
    not forestalled by citation to Godwin’s Law converges to zero.’
    —- End of article—-

    So, that article clearly outlines the corruption of the original statement
    of the law, but at no point does it mention the end of a thread. (That is only a tradition of some boards, and by posting, I demonstrate that Godwin’s Law is a fallacy).

    It would appear that the popular misstatement of Godwin’s Law that shadmarsh cites has actually evolved to serve the ends of the clueless
    morons who propagate it, as adding the perceived relevance to usenet helps to ensure its continued propagation in the environment of usenet. Memes can, and will, adapt to their hosts.

    Thus, this misquoted Godwin’s law, in the form given by shadmarsh above, is a fallacy spread by clueless morons on usenet and now on the web
    (and some of us even knew that already), because that’s how it best survives. The earlier problem I raised of the thread being continued
    appearing to thwart Godwin’s law, as stated by usenet, is resolved by usenet and accepted wisdom being, as usual, completely wrong. There is no paradox.

    Antil is a troll, and trolls only survive by feeding them attention. With hold attention, and they feed elsewhere.


    The messgae boards havent been done away with yet Bobby, yet being the operative word here, Under H.R. 1959 and many other acts of recently its simply a question of time.Again tell me the differance between Hitler’s enabling acts and the patriot act. They havenet come for the guns yet Bobby yet.

  24. shadmarsh


    lighten up. Or did the commies under your bed steal your sense of humor too, I know they stole your ability to make a concise point.

  25. Jimbo

    Yes, let’s get back to the point. Chad’s running an illegal gabling establishment, and everyone knows it. He’s a complete hypocrite with no more sense than a bag of hammers. But it’s okay because it’s all a conspiracy by the government because his keen investigative talents have endowed him with irrefutable paranoia about government corruption at the highest levels. Now talk amongst yourselves.

  26. Art (aka Dr. Anti):

    HR 1959 is a vital piece of legislation that needs to be passed.

    shadmarsh: point taken.

    I expect that Chad will have his day in court.

    I hope that Ron Moore (and his associates) are able to have their day in court as well. Perhaps Medford will give them up for a lighter sentence.


    Bobby I correctly referenced the Bill H.R. 1959. The “home grown terrorist bill” which
    Creates the committee of excellence to investigate individuals and or political groups
    Engaging in “antigovernment speech” or Political activities. Actually The Carolina Stompers
    would be Considered a Terrorist group under H.R.1959. That’s right Bobby, Chad Nesbitt, DonYelton
    in your Neocon deluded world be considered home Grown Terrorist’s under HR1959
    never mind
    that The machines found in the raid had no mother boards in them, no one was arrested, and
    Probably The whole thing is a sham. I am trying to get a copy of the warrant, which will no doubt be fraught with defects, but in your world, correct 4th amendment warrants aren’t important, when it comes to fighting domestic terrorism Bobby. H.R. 1959 does away with Habeas which was really been done away with in 1878 as no ad subjectum writs under common law have been done since then.
    Yes Bobby in your fox news World, a bunch of Good ole boys getting together
    on a Sunday Afternoon in Leicester playin poker now constitutes in your paranoid mind
    terrorism.Im really not surprised you support H.R. 1959 it does not surprise me in the least, as a
    matter of fact I wouldn’t expect anything less from you.
    Maybe Yelton and Nesbitt should be taken to Gauntanamo and water boarded for daring to
    as proactive citizens, investigate the God like creature Ron Moore, under H.R. 1959 it
    could happen. Bobby, so nice talking to you again, I’ve been very remiss I didn’t buy you
    A Christmas present last year, What would you like this year, the Adolph Hitler starter kit, or
    the DVD called Goose-stepping with Henrich Himmler, or the new DVD called Killing Puppies
    and shooting Innocent Iraqi’s by the, or let me know your size and Ill buy you an SS
    uniform. See ya
    later buddy
    PS I Guess this puppy was a terrorist


    Poor ole Bobby your so misinformed. The marines think the video is real they are prosceuting the solider who killed the puppy.
    Thats right Bobby Alqueda is comming to get you, if they wnnted to get you my dont they just walk into the country with the rest of the over 30,000 per month that walk into the COUNTRY OVER THE TEX MEX border.
    Poor old Bobby he still thinks 19 men with box cutters, 6, that the FBI admits, who have now shown up in differenet countries ALIVE and who couldnt fly Cesna’s pulled off the 911 Fairy Tale, Bobby has the tooth fairy come yet??



  30. bobaloo

    Dr. Anti, I was actually going to respond to something you said that was relevant to this, then I realized you are a Truther, thus unreachable by normal transmissions.

    Good Lord, how off topic can you get?

  31. Dionysis

    While Mr. Nesbitt and his ‘Carolina Stompers’ may be fuzzy-thinking loonie fringe characters, it is not outside of the realm of possibility that the police-state environment ‘Dr. Anti…’ describes may be developing. Some indications are self-evident (the attacks by BuchCo on our Constitutional freedoms, for example, while spouting jingoistic platitudes), others are not so well know. For example, it is now known through an FOA request (Freedom of Information), the government, via one of George Bush’s many ‘signing statements’ which allows him to determine what laws (or parts of laws) he will obey and which he will ignore (as only he determines) that American’s private mail has been opened and examined without court orders:

    “In late 2006, a signing statement issued by President Bush suggested that his office had expanded executive branch power to open mail without a warrant.

    The signing statement accompanied H.R. 6407, the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, which reiterated a prohibition on opening first class mail without a warrant.

    “In 1996, the postal regulations were altered to permit the opening of First Class mail without a warrant in narrowly defined cases where the Postal Inspector believes there is a credible threat that the package contains dangerous material like bombs,” the ACLU said in a press release at the time. “Instead of referencing the narrow exception in the postal regulations, the president’s signing statement suggests that he is assuming broader authority to open mail without a warrant.”

    Of course, one can expect knee-jerk support for this from Bush lackeys or those who disdain democracy and the freedoms it provides (the authoritarian-minded out there).

  32. David Forbes

    Lt. Ross Dillingham of the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office confirmed this afternoon that deputies from the SWAT team did assist ALE agents in the raid.

    He added that there is no incident report because they were assisting another agency’s search warrant, and not answering a specific call for service.


    Dionysis simply outstanding post, great examples of executive usurpation,
    In point of fact since the implementation of the Emergency War powers act this nation has been ruled by executive order and Public law. There is no State of Federal government
    In 1947 Truman abolished all constitutional courts and under the executive reorganization acts of 1953 I believe did away with all lawful “offices”.
    Did you know at one time pior to 1953, that IRS agents were indeed actually, lawful revenue agents. Collecting “income” which means only one thing, earnings from corporate activity, wages are not income and that according to the 1916 Brushaver Supreme Court decsion
    Simply put Dionysis as we can now plainly see this republic has been gone for along time.
    All executive orders apply only to Citizens of the United States and federal zones, and do not nor can apply to citizens of the several states.
    There are no more several states that are politically occupied, they have been converted into federal insular sub jurisdiction’s and territories of Washington D.C.
    The final take over occurred in 1970 under the Drug Enforcement acts of 1970, which simply federalized the States and took away what remaining autonomy they had. This was the same year that all county government was destroyed by the abolishment of the county courts of common pleas which was done away with. The newly formed Federalized states moved into the counties and example would this.
    Pior to 1970 the clerk of court was a county official, now the clerk who actually is the power behind court is a Federal STATE employee.
    I think you can see whats happening here. The sheep people forget things after 20 years 1970 might as well have been 300 years ago.
    This thing is a mess, you have to remember that only an elite few, maybe 10% even have the awareness to take back the republic. By the way Dionysis Id take my chances with corrupt government officials, the ones who scare me, are the ignorant masses who operate under delusion and ignorance, they are the ones who will deliver you up to be killed believing they are doing the will of the RIGHT wing. They also render unto Caesar what belongs to God. They are victims of the importation of the Prussian educational system in the early 1900’s by Rockefeller and Carnegie, a system that was designed to dumb down people into mere factory workers with little if any cognitive thinking skills. This is why we have 53% of the registered voter population that doesn’t know who the vice president is. Any non-landowners should be forbidden from voting, those who have no understanding in constitutional law should also be forbidden. Soccer moms who vote for the best looking candidates are a problem too


    bobaloo What in the world is a truther, sounds vague and off topic??

  35. bobaloo

    A Truther is a moron who believes 9/11 is a “fairy tale” or inside job derived from the mantra “9/11 Truth”. Like you.
    As for off topic, that would be you as well.


    You have failed my litmus test, Im not permitted to speak with individuals who lack essential powers of deduction and cerebral functioning and who are UNDER THE STRONG DELUSION spoken of in the Bible.

    Perhaps you wish to take your non-sense up with the hundreds of military official’s including General Albert Scutabine, along with Hundreds of airline pilots. In the event you wish to climb out of the Morass of ignorance that you wallow and go to this site.

    Im a legal researcher I deal in evidence Im also objective, the prima-facie evidence is that your some little person of limited intellect who is unfamiliar with the laws of thermal dynamics and the aeronautical performance software parameters of the 767 involved in the said incident. I don’t deal in conspiracies I deal in facts.

    Go turn on Oriely, drink another beer, and climb back into the vault of ignorance from which you emerged when you responded to my post. I do not talk to those who are unable to employ logic, and who operate solely on programmed belief systems reinforced by mass media propaganda. If you wish to discuss facts concerning the fairy tale or your nebulous understanding of them , I shall be more than happy to refute them point, point. instead of engaging in vitriolic attacks as you did. Ill be happy to debate you anytime any where.

    Trust me any contention you have in this matter will crumble under the weight of science and evidence.
    I would say your contention that im unreachable applies more to you than me; you are polarized into denial with your head firmly planted into the sand, a typical U.S. citizen

  37. Dionysis

    “A Truther is a moron who believes 9/11 is a “fairy tale” or inside job derived from the mantra “9/11 Truth”. Like you.”

    Perhaps, but also like a large number of equally moronic government, military and intelligence officials, including several Republicans and high ranking, seasoned CIA and FBI officials. They, like Dr. A and many others, constitute a rather large pool of “morons.” Care to know what other “morons” don’t believe the government’s story, or at least find it severly lacking?


    Dionysis at what temperature does steel melt?
    What temperature does JP3 burn at?
    What brought down building 7?? Do you know??
    Can a 767 make a 333 degree turn going 5855 mph without overstress??
    How many gs would such a turn cause and do you know what the operational g limits were on a 767.
    Im sure you dont, you just watch too much Oreily.
    Heck even Willie Nelson doesnt believe it.
    What is the rate of terminal velocity and how long did it take for the buildings to fall?
    Like I said only in America could this travesty be pulled off on the gullible, the house of cards is coming down. The whitewash 911 omission commision never even broached the building 7 issue before it was shut down.
    Strange even the fBI said 6 of the hijackers have now shown up in different countries alive. congress even gave a report saying there is no hard evidence linking either Hussien or Bin ladden to 911. your taking too many illusion pills travelah. Why do the faithful have a will to believe in something and call it the name they choose have choosen nothing

  39. bobaloo

    “Im a legal researcher I deal in evidence Im also objective, the prima-facie evidence is that your some little person of limited intellect”
    That would be “you’re” oh person of great intellect.

    I’ll just link to this, though it will do no good.

    Have fun chasing your white rabbit.



    Bobalo I see that you failed to answer the questions above.Your silence speaks volumes.

  41. Dr. Anti Neo Con US or should I call you Art?:

    I answer just two of the questions put forth, the turn, and the steel.

    You have failed to provide adequate data on the aircraft turn. Speed and the Degree of the turn are not enough to answer your question…proving you do NOT understand math or physics to any degree, or perhaps you forgot to add the other vectors for me to plug into an equation?

    Any transport aircraft can execute a 333 degree turn at whatever speed it is designed to fly, and can even perform barrel rolls.

    There are videos on the internet of such feats. Aircraft wings are designed to take much more than they are typically ever exposed to in the daily milk run of commercial traffic.

    Steel can be rendered structurally unsound in ordinary house fires. I was a firefighter for 11 years. In the normal stick-built house, temperatures reach over 1800 degrees. In industrial fires, the temperature reaches even higher, especially if there is a large volume of fuel (anything that will burn) I have seen fires so hot they explode concrete, and I have seem steel supports bend and collapse under the weight of an upper floor or two.
    It is folly to argue with 9/11 Twoofers, Lord knows I have tried (even with a fellow named Art who I still have his emails), but they will not go about it in an orderly fashion. They become upset and start insulting you, calling you names, and even say that you are an employee of the government assigned to cover up the plot.
    Their hate (never far away) bubbles up to the surface and explodes.
    The best 9/11 Debunking site is at the link below:

    Here is the crux of my argument against the “9/11 Truthers”: If they truly believe that 9/11 was as they say…then why haven’t they taken arms up against the government? If anything justifies an armed revolution this does.

    I will tell you why they don’t. The vast majority of them do not fully believe it in their hearts. What they do suffer from is a combination of Bush Derangement Syndrome, hatred of authority, paranoia and/or a deep sense of inferiority. MOst of these people lead sad lives, and are like cavemen starting at the sound of thunder, and feel afraid at something they do not understand. So they invent stories to tell themselves, and their fellows, that explain the noise as a great god banging on things, or is the sound of war between the gods. Some of the 9/11 Twoofers are the modern day equivalent of that.

    And Dr, AntiTrith: as a bonus, here is an excellent resource that completely, and entirely clears up the crap about a missile hitting the Pentagon:

    Another fellow who does an excellent job dispelling the utter nonsense spouted by these modern-day caemen is Bill Whittle. In the post below he takes on several conspiracy theories and addresses 9/11 about three-quarters of the way into the post, and links to another excellent post on the subject of the paranoia these people suffer:


    Bobby do you have dyslexia? I most certainly gave the numbers. The governments fairy tale, says the aircraft that hit the pentagon, made a 333 degree turn at 585mph, that would have pulled 6 gs Bobby, which is impossible, as the aircraft had protective restricting software that does not allow it to to pull over 1.3 gs.Read the operational Manuel.
    At 6gs, everybody onboard would have blacked out, in addition to structural overstress occurring, which would have broken the aircraft apart, somewhere in the 3.9 g range. I would have to presume you haven’t heard of the phenomenon of ground effect.

    Ground effect occurs when the air turbulence between the ground and the aircraft reach a certain level, this of course, then causes the nose of the aircraft to rise at a 30 degree angle, usually at approx 150 knots, this is
    Normal and take off occurs. The governments story, is that hijackers flew the plane 20 feet above the ground, at a speed of 535 mph, the ground effect turbulence, would have exceeded the operational ranges of the aircraft, this maneuver would have caused a ground effect, that simply would have caused the aircraft to be uncontrollable, it would have required full flaps, which would again, would have caused structural overstress, the damm thing would have exploded. This is why aircraft have operational speed limits for landing and take off Bobby.

    The aircraft had a wingspan of 126 feet, the impact crater at the pentagon was 65 feet, no parts were found, no seats, no engine parts, no bodies etc, The contention that the impact causing a liquefying of the structure is simply non-sense. There were some parts found, so they didn’t liquefy, they weren’t parts from a commercial jet though
    Cell phones do not pick up in aircraft and didn’t in 2001 above 3000ft, even the N,S,A. admitted this.
    Why don’t you run this post past any commercial airline pilot?

    By the way Bobby, Jet fuel, which is essentially kerosene, burns off at 1800 degrees, steel melts at 2800 degrees, simply put, the jp3 fuel burned at 1000 degrees less, than what was necessary to melt steel.
    Incidentally, Bobby, no building the size of the towers, as ever imploded as a result of a fire, period!
    And of course the biggest impediment in the fairy tale for those of you UNDER THE STRONG DELUSION….. WHY DID BUILDING 7 FALL, IT WASN’T HIT AND SUFFERED NO STRUCTUAL DAMAGE?

    All the towers fell at the rate of terminal velocity, in free fall, with no pan caking effect of metal internal latticework, as the Popular Mechanics white wash article claimed. Watch the video, the towers fell in 8.3 seconds, they fell at the same rate as if a man with an apple standing at the same height as the buildings, threw an apple off, which would have taken 8,3 seconds,

    Bobby admit it, you like most U.S. citizens you haven’t got a clue, incidentally, recent surveys say the U.S. sheep people are waking up, as 45% now believe the event was a black operation.
    Most of the world suspects it and considers U.S citizens that believe the government lie, as indicative of the inferior intellectual nature of U.S. citizens. The majority of the New York fire fighters, and the families of the victims don’t believe the government lie
    You supply erroneous information, just like you said the puppy video was a fake, the marines do not think the video is a fake and are prosecuting the solider involed.
    Bobby, your logic, like most neocons is defective, your government brainwashing and false belief system override your ability to think critically.

    A sad situation, indeed. Your under THE STRONG DELUSION. You and people of your ilk are repugnant to what this nations stands for, if you had you druthers you would suppress all dissent and free thought and you would probably consider those that questioned this tyrannical government as enemies of the state, you’re a neo con Bobby.
    Good day now go back to sleep

  43. travelah

    Dr. Anti, thank you for confirming that P.T. Barnum was right about at least one thing.

  44. Then why did you not restrict yourself to just that, Hmmm?

    You change the subject now because you cannot answer me.

    The rate of turn from that article is 1.8 degrees per second, generating less than half a gee.
    The plane lost 46.667 feet per second, again, generating almost -1.45 gees. Nowhere near 6 gees that you claimed.

    A six gee turn requires a turn rate of more than 20 degrees per second at 585 mph.

  45. Lucy

    Hey Chad:

    What happend to the money you raised at your Support our Soldiers rally? And how did the judgment against you doing business as “citizens speak” get paid off?

  46. Don Yelton

    Lucy where were you during the rally. That was a major event sponsored by several people.. You must not have been there. There were several organizations involved in that one event and Chad handled the event at the city county plaza.

    What judgement about doing business as Citizens Speak. Citizens Speak is the show that I do on charter channel 10 and channel 20 and expose the lies and corruption that are spewed forth by the power structure.

    Such untruths as Chad making money on the soldiers rally or judgements for citizens speak.

    Please take the time to get the facts before posting here.

  47. Chad Nesbitt

    It paid for the rally. The rest went to the USO.
    What judgment are you speaking of? The only judgement I had against me was the stupid judgment of the NC Democrat Party. They filed a complaint against the Carolina Stompers with the board of elections. Their judgement call was wrong as usual and the board of elections sided with us and told the press we were cleared.

    I have never done business as the “Citizens Speak”. You are thinking about Don Yelton and he has never had a judgment against him that I know of. Don pay’s for his show out of his own pocket.

    Chad Nesbitt

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