One more stomp

It took me a little while to understand exactly what Chad Nesbitt and the Carolina Stompers are trying to say, but I have now figured it out and it’s a pretty simple and important premise. Simply put, they want those of us who are not right-wing extremists to understand that when the major figures behind our modern Western philosophy said and wrote what the rest of us think were pretty clearly enunciated ideas, in all cases they really meant exactly the opposite of what they were saying.

Hence, when in 1797 the United States Congress, after a full reading in session, ratified the Treaty of Tripoli, which states, “The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion”—they really meant just the opposite!

Likewise, when President James Madison signed that document—he didn’t really mean it! Apparently Madison, one of the more towering figures in our country’s creation, was of such venal character as to enter into perpetuity a pack of lies for some reason we don’t comprehend. I trust Chad can explain to us what that reason was.

In the same spirit, when Thomas Jefferson, in 1801, wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association explaining that the deliberate intent of the Founding Fathers was to build into our Constitution “a wall of separation between church and state”—he didn’t really mean it! Never mind that malarkey about the New Americans having a deep, abiding memory of the horrors perpetrated on ordinary citizens by the state-run religions of their European predecessors—the Founding Fathers really hoped to replicate the Spanish Inquisition in the new U.S. of A.

Same with George Washington, who wrote at length about his own permanent, unchanging commitment to the ideals of liberalism, and his hope that it would in time spread around the world and become humankind’s dominant philosophy. For heaven’s sake—clearly he meant just the opposite.

The same goes for Jesus, who was so murky in his pronouncements that we still can’t understand what he was really saying. Thus, when Jesus said, “If a man striketh you on the cheek, turn the other cheek to him,” again—he really meant just the opposite.

And that pesky, much-distorted Fifth Commandment—Thou shalt not kill: Even God himself is a double-speaker. He really meant, as the right win has been trying to get us to see for a long time now: “Thou shalt not commit premeditated murder under certain limited circumstances, excluding any killing done by the state or during times of war, or if someone really makes you angry, or if you just don’t like their religion or if you need to take their oil away from them or … . Well, clearly God just didn’t have time to say what he really meant!

I’m really a new person, and I owe my newfound enlightenment to Chad and the Stompers. I now see that, in nearly all cases, when Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Franklin, Washington, Jesus et al wrote the things they did, they meant exactly the opposite of what they were saying. It’s pretty clear they trusted we would always have among us enough enlightened characters like the Carolina Stompers to interpret for us what they really meant!

I, for one, will be eternally grateful.

— Jon Dana
Morganton

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41 thoughts on “One more stomp

  1. Ken Hanke

    That’s what I want — a right-wing website interpreting what the founding fathers really meant!

  2. Ken & Eli:
    I am sure that if you could be transported in time to see the Founding Fathers, and could speak with them, learn their views, and their thought process behind the establishmant of the US Constitution…you would return with the news that they were right wing extremists. No, wait. There is no need for that. These men left behind written documents that you may read. In case you do not have these documents in your home (I do), I have included links to some of them online:

    Declaration of Arms
    http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/decofarms/text.html

    The Federalist Papers
    http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fedi.htm

    OR, if you are libertarian, and oppose the Constitution, you might read the Anti-Federalist Papers
    http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm

    Not to leave socialists out of the equation, here is a link to just one example of their continued assault on the US Constitution, and their journey to move our society ever more to the left:
    http://www.pww.org/archives96/96-01-20-3.html
    Even though some continue to call for it’s dismantlement:
    http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2000/may_2000_3.html

    Most people have fallen for the Fallacy of the Misplaced Middle, which holds that the middle of political discourse in this nation can be found between the extreme right, and extreme left. This is where the ‘moderates’ are presumed to be.

    That is just not so, because the left has moved ever more to the left (and has, through their former stranglehold on the Media, have presented the middle as “progressing” to the left) during the course of American history. What was once considered normal and acceptable is branded extreme by the ‘progressives’ and socialists. They follow a course that holds that the whole of human experience means nothing mow that they are on the scene. Their moral relativism shifts ever to the left. They ignore that there are absolute moral truths that do not change from day to day, according to “consensus”.
    The more I study the Founding Fathers, the more I realize that even I am to the left of them (I seek to correct that). I do not spend hours a day in prayer like George Washington. I also doubt that President Bush could get away with having the US Government pay for the printing of Bibles for distribution among the heathen, as Thomas Jefferson did for the American Indians.

    And Eli: The 1,000 Year Reich is being realized in Europe, even now, by the establishment of the EU.
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3091

    I am generally not given to quips and one liners, like the author of this piece and you two, (although they are fun, and do provide a certain juvenile glee in the attempt to discredit the messenger when the message itself is unassailable). My views are based upon a firm foundation, and I am not afraid to quote the inspirations of my philosophy.

  3. Eli Cohen

    Let’s not forget the founding fathers were slave owners and revolutionaries (aka terrorists)

  4. Ken Hanke

    “I also doubt that President Bush could get away with having the US Government pay for the printing of Bibles for distribution among the heathen, as Thomas Jefferson did for the American Indians.”

    This is called progress.

    “the attempt to discredit the messenger when the message itself is unassailable”

    Perhaps, but then is the interpretation of the message unassailable? That’s a separate question. It is also not one that I see any chance of us agreeing on.

  5. Eli:

    You have been subjected to revisionist history, and you are an America hater. There is no cure for that disease, I am afraid it is terminal, unless God intervenes.

    Hanke:

    Your concept of progress appears to match that of Karl Mark:
    ——-
    Marx maintained that progress would best be founded on a proper understanding of industry and the origins of wealth, together with a realistic view of social conflict. Struggle between distinct economic classes, with the perpetual possibility of revolution, is the inevitable fate of society.
    ——–
    On your second point, then attack the interpretation, instead of demonizing the messenger, as many of the lefties have Chad and the Carolina Stompers. It is very amusing to watch you guys and gals verbally scream, stamp your feet, and carry on like the hominids in the “Dawn of Mankind” sequence in the movie 2001.

    The interpretation is always available for examination. Shooting the messenger just imitates the kings of old.

    sammule:

    No, that was only some idiot (a Bishop, actually) who tried to read between the lines, and establish a date. He settled on a day in October in the year 4004 BC. He made a very grievous error that others have taken as established fact without ever investigating his method. No where in the Bible does it give us a year for the creation of the earth. He assumed (and we know what happens when you assume) that in the listing of the generations in the Bible, that everyone was listed. It was an idiot’s errand, and now we have independently verifiable scientific evidence that the earth was here before then.
    The people who were fooled by that bit of charlatanism are in the same boat as the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW for short) people, they have placed their faith in a desired outcome above science.
    The Christians who believe that spend time defending a wrong position, even going against scientific observation. Same with the CAGW people, who defend a position based on an erroneous placement of faith on a person based on a desired outcome.

  6. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Thunder Pig
    Your points are well taken. Please look at the following exhibits A and B that I have placed at the end of this blog, as they will corroborate your position against that of ELI who came and went. The contentions that this nation was not founded on Judo Christian principals,is indeed revisionist history. Most certainly, history can be spun and altered within a 20-year cycle, much less hundreds and thousands of years.
    Let me give you a prime example of the recent loss of legal memory, in the context of recent historical events.

    Most of those who oppose the undeclared and unconstitutional war upon the people and resources of Iraq, always mention that there were no WMD’s. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Scroll back to circa 1980, not that long ago, when it was reported widely in the press and was a known fact, that not only did Hussein process the WMDS and the components for them, the United States in fact gave the weapons to him and then authorized them to be used on Iran. Hussien, was “our boy”, like Castro and the myriad of other cold war dictators and tyrants the C.I.A. funded. Hussein, no longer wishing to be a U.S, patsy,used said weapons, on his own people, the Kurds, instead of the intended target, which was of course Iran. Today’s young neocons, will tell you, that you are crazy, if you point this out.

    There is a large segment of society, those between the ages of 18-35, who literally, have no historical references points or knowledge, in which to make an objective, determinations about too much of anything. They are the result of an educational system, which was imported from Prussia into America in the early 1900’s by Rockefeller and Carnegie.

    The Prussian educational model was designed circa 1820, in order to dumb down the East European middle class, who as far as educational levels today, would blow the average fluoride laden, cell phone talking, Mass media induced, indoctrinated, so-called U.S. citizen off the map. The Prussian model was specially designed to create mere factory workers, from the highly educated middle class, who then, would have little or no critical thinking skills, unquestioning, in their submission to all authority, sound familiar???

    The Prussian educational model was so successful, that Rockefeller and Carnegie, could not wait to have it implemented in America, so that they would be assured, of a vast supply of drones, which would literally have an educational lobotomy, the rest is history.

    People forget because they cannot read or think anymore, the original design of Federal Income tax, was to quell the monopolistic influences of men like Ford, Carnegie and Rockefeller. America had an 80-year period of its greatest economic growth before the implementation of federal income tax, which was unlawfully passed during the congressional Christmas break of 1913. The tax was passed with most of congress not present. The income tax was designed, to levy a tax upon “INCOME”, a term that means only one thing, according to the 1916 Brushaver decision, (“earnings from corporate activity’) not wages. The tax was rather extreme in nature, as it was designed to hit these moguls hard, as they, with there vast resources, were socially engineering the educational level of Americans, making then dumb and altering history, in addition to stealing its wealth.

    In short Thunder Pig those who post here are victims of this Prussian educational system, which literally has shut down all critical thinking forms, and created a worker drone mentality, that is so rampant here in Moron America today. Indeed the Prussian system is one of the most effectual in all of history and dumbed down Americans would be a prime example of its efficacy.

    During the 1700’s up until around 1860, the top selling two books in America were the King James Bible and Blackstone’s commentaries on THE LAW, which means the common law.

    During post war reconstruction of the 1870’s and the Federal insurgency into the States, the level of education and culture among the newly created “U.S. citizens” {created by the 1866 civil rights act) started to diminish, as people forgot the essential foundations and the makeup of the country, which was decidedly Judo Christian. This prompted the Supreme Court to declare two times, that America was a Christian nation, incidentally here are the links for those decisions. Exhibit A
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-888 http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

    Alas, Bobby my final evidence that those, who detract you are mindless victims the Prussian system. LOOK AT THIS EXHIBIT

    Declarations from the several states contained in their preamble about God and Christianity.
    Once again the mindless fall to the evidence of the true nature of reality, read it and weep ELI.
    Exhibit B
    In case there are those who still believe America should be secularized in order to maintain a non-Judeo-Christian God heritage, take note of the states’ preambles.
    Further, note that the God referenced is the God of the Bible. There was no god of New Age, Buddhism, Islam or Shintoism, not even atheism’s god of godlessness, when these preambles were written.
    It was the deity of the Holy Scriptures, the same God now worshiped by genuine believers throughout the Republic:
    Alabama 1901, Preamble We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.
    Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
    Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
    Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
    California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom…
    Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe…
    Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
    Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
    Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution…
    Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
    Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance … Establish this Constitution.
    Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
    Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
    Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
    Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
    Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
    Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…
    Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
    Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.
    Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty…
    Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We…the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of H is Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
    Michigan 1908, Preamble le. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.
    Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
    Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
    Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution…
    Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution.
    Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.
    Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution…
    New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
    New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
    New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
    New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
    North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those…
    North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain…
    Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common…
    Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this
    Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
    Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance…
    Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing…
    South Carolina, 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
    South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties.
    Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience…
    Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
    Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
    Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man.
    Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
    Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
    West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God …
    Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility…
    Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution..

  7. Dr AntiNeo Con:

    You need a blog of your own!

    The Prussian-style Education System was suited for Mass Instruction to feed workers into the Industrial Era factories.

    We no longer need workers for such factories in the US, we ship the factories off to the developing world to help them along. Our educational Syatem has failed to change to meet our new requirement for knowledge workers instead of laborers.

    This book, written in 1980, covered it well:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(book)

    About the income tax…just don’t pay it. I am careful to keep my annual income below the reporting requirement. I own my home, property, and grow most of my food. I have taken the “Atlas Shrugged” option to my life since the 1990’s.

    About your exhibits:
    This is getting scary, for us to agree on so much at one time. I may go fetal at any moment.

  8. Ken Hanke

    “Marx maintained that progress would best be founded on a proper understanding of industry and the origins of wealth, together with a realistic view of social conflict. Struggle between distinct economic classes, with the perpetual possibility of revolution, is the inevitable fate of society.”

    And this has what to do with my view that it’s progress that the government can no longer spend money to hand out Bibles to the “heathen?” I realize that right-wingers always think they’ve scored a point if the can imply that someone’s a Marxist/communist/socialist, but this seems a stretch.

  9. Ken Hanke

    “the essential foundations and the makeup of the country, which was decidedly Judo Christian.”

    Judo Christians? I like that image.

  10. Re: Hanke’s comments. I agree; those opposed to your opinions cannot spell.

    Dudes, it’s “JudEo Xtians”, not “Judo”, and “Karl Marx”, not Karl Mark”).

    If you want folks to take you seriously, get a dictionary or use spellcheck.

  11. Lady P and Hanke:

    Like I said…you refuse the debate on the issues because you cannot challenge them…like the monarchs of old, you attempt to discredit the messenger. I guess you would have remained silent on my account if I had not made one error in spelling in that particular post, which was a slip of the finger on the keyboard. There is no preview on this particular message board, so I cannot properly proofread my work without going through the trouble of increasing letter size. In the entry box. I am, however, gladdened to know that you are small-minded when it comes to discourse. I ignore spelling errors because it is a distraction from the mater at hand. My emphasis is on ideas, not cowardly lawyer tactics that focus on technical aspects to get a case thrown out or overturned, instead of the matter at hand.

    In the case of “mark” spell check won’t catch it because it is spelled correctly.

    Hanke:

    Perhaps you haven’t read all of Marx. Part of his idea of “progress” was the whittling away of public support for religion. You might not know where your ideas come from, but I do. I believe in studying very thoroughly the belief systems of my political opponents

  12. Ken Hanke

    “Like I said…you refuse the debate on the issues because you cannot challenge them…like the monarchs of old, you attempt to discredit the messenger. I guess you would have remained silent on my account if I had not made one error in spelling in that particular post”

    Uh, I did not attempt to discredit you (which to my mind would be gilding the lily) based on your spelling/typo — not unless you and the verbose “Dr.” are the same person — since you aren’t the author of “Judo Christian.”

    “My emphasis is on ideas, not cowardly lawyer tactics”

    I know you have explained to me before why you hide behind a screen name, but I maintain that anyone who does so is in no position to call anyone else cowardly.

    “Perhaps you haven’t read all of Marx. Part of his idea of ‘progress’ was the whittling away of public support for religion.”

    I’m quite aware of this, but your comment had nothing whatever to do with that aspect of his ideas as far as I could see. Moreover, there’s a significant difference between “public support of religion” and governmental endorsement of religion, which I’m sure you know. I also can’t help but suspect that you’d be the first to object if the government spent money on sending out anything that endorsed a religion counter to the one to which you subscribe.

  13. Hanke:
    I included you and the pagan in the same section because you’re birds of a feather on the spelling issue. Spelling Nazis.

    As to my identity, anyone who knows how to use Google can find out in less than two minutes. And if you want to meet me, I’ll be webcasting the NCGOP Gubernatorial Debate at Blue Ridge Community College at the end of the month over the internet.
    THe little brouhaha earlier where Tim Peck called me by name got me thrown off the Covert Ops Division of our group, so I’m no longer privy to ops not being directed by me.

    The only thing the constitution opposes is the establishment of a national religion. Only the lefty assault on our society has morphed it into an outright prohibition.
    I believe that the faith-based initiatives are a much better way of spending money than a government program, no matter if the money was given to Pagans, Muslims, Catholics, Native American Religions, or Christians.

    Gotta go…the power keeps going out because of this stupid storm.

  14. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Incredible, I write a post in support of your postion and you are too obstinate to even recognize it.
    As far as the Prussian educational system, its effects have been multigenerational.To suggest that there is no cause and effectual relationship in the present condition of society, by the protracted role and implementation of the Prussian system, though the last 160 years of the educational system, is beyond ludicrous. http://feltd.com/domo3.html
    Perhaps you need to read some links, about this.

    Secondly, if you really think you own your home you are completely out of your mind. You do not have the Real Alodial Title .I must assume you did not read my posts concerning property rights in the Ferrari case.
    Rather than engage your ears of tin, let me just post this link. http://landrights.com/
    Let me, if I might be so bold, as to possibly elucidate you, all it takes in an an objective mindset and a click on this link, you will see you own nothing, your statement that you do, is patently false.

    Mr. Hanke your opponent, whilst he does not like me, does have some credible points about your inability to provide, post priori, ontological, substance, that is prima facie evidence, of the veracity your arguments, which translated means, you might not know what you are talking about.This is witnessed by the fact that you believe you own your property. Calling people liberals and conservatives simply shows an inability to see beyond labels created by the false left right paradigm of the Hegelian dialectic, or put in the vernacular, people that deal and believe in the false left right paradigms of the dialectic , simply put, have the mentality of DOGS THAT CHASE CARS, or shall I say, with apoligies to Pink Floyd, PIGS ON THE WING.Good day

  15. Dr. Anti-Neocon:

    What part of

    —-
    About the income tax…just don’t pay it. I am careful to keep my annual income below the reporting requirement. I own my home, property, and grow most of my food. I have taken the “Atlas Shrugged” option to my life since the 1990’s.

    About your exhibits:
    This is getting scary, for us to agree on so much at one time. I may go fetal at any moment.
    —-
    don’t you understand?

    And did I say I paid taxes on my land? I received the Allodial Title from the guy I purchased my land from…or did you ignore my “Atlas Shrugged” comment?

    You are just to used to people arguing with you to recognize when someone isn’t.

    I knew about Alloidial Titles when you were in diapers.

  16. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Ken perhaps people that concentrate on inadvertent typos do so to compensate for a lack of knowledge concerning subject matterat hand. I do post a profilc more than you do, nonetheless if you wish to concentrate on such matters it goes more to your nature, than my inadvertent typos do.

  17. Ken Hanke

    Dr. A., you have to credit the fact that the typo of “Judo Christian” is one that has a certain amusement value, though I’m perfectly willing to believe it was simply a typo — actually, what I assumed. I realize you take everything rather seriously, but don’t you see the humor in the concept you inadvertently conjured?

    Mr. Thunder Pig’s Karl Mark was obviously a mistake, too, since he spelled it correctly in the next line. (I don’t, however, find the X and the K sufficiently close to each other to think it a slip of the finger.) I also didn’t point it out, though this whole thing gave him the chance to reach into his bag of invective and label me a “spelling Nazi,” which is just as neat a way for compensating for “lack of knowledge” as pointing out errors of language — at least insofar as it evades the issue.

    I actually don’t consider myself a spelling Nazi, but I might be a bit of a word fascist. If a thing is worth saying, it strikes me that it’s worth saying it correctly. Just how seriously am I supposed to take a post in which someone uses the term “religious zellick” for “religious zealot?” That’s not a typo and it’s not just a question of spelling. To me, it raises a very real credibility question.

  18. firelady

    My, what a pile of muck we have going on this thread. Fascinating, if it weren’t so terrifying. Geez.

  19. Now wait, I think we’re on to something here with this Judo Christian concept… listen, my children, to these words from the great prophet of Judo Christianity, the reverred Bruce Lee:

    “To reach the masses, some sort of big organization (whether) domestic and foreign branch affiliation, is not necessary. To reach the growing number of students, some sort of pre-conformed set must be established as standards for the branch to follow. As a result all members will be conditioned according to the prescribed system. Many will probably end up as a prisoner of a systematized drill.

    “Styles tend to not only separate men – because they have their own doctrines and then the doctrine became the gospel truth that you cannot change. But if you do not have a style, if you just say: Well, here I am as a human being, how can I express myself totally and completely? Now, that way you won’t create a style, because style is a crystallization. That way, it’s a process of continuing growth.

    “To me totality is very important in sparring. Many styles claim this totality. They say that they can cope with all types of attacks; that their structures cover all the possible lines and angles, and are capable of retaliation from all angles and lines. If this is true, then how did all the different styles come about? If they are in totality, why do some use only the straight lines, others the round lines, some only kicks, and why do still others who want to be different just flap and flick their hands? To me a system that clings to one small aspect of combat is actually in bondage.

    “This statement expresses my feelings perfectly: ‘In memory of a once fluid man, crammed and distorted by the classical mess.’ ”

    ah… so mote it be.

  20. Thunderpig: Proofread your comment before hitting “send”. This way, you can avoid the grammar and spelling criticism that so oft results from your diatribes…

    And as a reminder, WE challenged the Stompers to a debate THEY refused, and not visa versa ;-)

    Further, I am not “the pagan”, but “a pagan”. Lumping Hanke in with me as “birds of a feather would be like me lumping you in with the latest crazed Xtian to murder folks en masse — simply non apropo, I hope.

    I do agree with Hanke on numberous topics, though, especially his countering your calling him a coward when you continue to hide behind a screen name (an ugly one at that), and insist that others care enough about it to search on the ‘Net to find you (what arrogance on your part).

    Glad, though, that Peck outed you and cost you your delusional status of ‘Covert Operative’ status. Pa-leeze!

    Clearly you don’t know what your self-professed religion is doing, for NO members of any faith OTHER than Christians have received a penny of “faith-baed initiative” money to help their own.

    Let’s focus on the merits or aspects of the Letter these comments are supposed to address, shall we?

    Who else found the authors’ Letter witty, wry, and satirically wicked and apt, eh?

  21. “All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.”

    –Bruce Lee

  22. oh, wait! Here’s MY favorite:

    “If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you”

    –Bruce Lee

  23. Andy

    I think you could also make the same point this way: Seperation of church and state is for the good of both. Its not that we don’t want the church fouling up gov’t but we don’t want gov’t fouling up the church. I think most conservatives will agree with that. And that way we can avoid the divisive sarcasm of this letter.
    I’m sorry that it sounds like this guy Chad, perhaps the only republican in Asheville, is a jerk. I live over here in Tennessee where there are plenty of republicans who are good and reasonable people. Believe it or not…

  24. travelah

    Andy, Chad is not representative of the Republican party that has about 40% of the electorate county wide. Keep in mind that the MountainX is not a representative sample of mainstream Western Carolina.

  25. Right, travelah … MountainX is certainly not representative of WNC but, then, neither is the Citizen-Times. In fact, the AC-T — being chain-owned — is more tainted with outsiderism than MX.

    MX has their heart in the right place but slides a bit too far to the left at times. ;-)

  26. andy

    Travelah, I’m sure you are right. But I swear that everytime I am over there I can’t find anyone to hold a conversation with who isn’t pretty far left. Many I spoke with even seemed offended that I am a republican.

  27. entopticon

    This fine letter reminds me a bit of the letter I wrote on the subject of Chad’s greatness back in the end of January. I think they titled it, “So, Owls Don’t Deliver the Mail?” I originally submitted a longer, more detailed (and in my humble opinion funnier) version, but it had to be cut down.

    It’s good to see that Jon Dana has also discovered the paradoxical brilliance of Chad. Like myself, Dana clearly appreciates the fact that someone as brilliant as Chad can not be held back by liberal, elitist conceits such as reason and continuity.

    Really, most of life’s problems can easily be solved by simply asking oneself, “what would Chad do?” With that one simple question, all of the answers to life’s riddles become plain as day.

    The answer is usually to get angry and rant about how over-educated, peace-loving liberals are making the planet unsafe for warfare, but sometimes the answer can be as simple as running an illegal gambling operation out of your garage.

  28. entopticon

    just read my post here and I wanted to make sure that it was clear that I was saying that my original draft was a little funnier than the one that was printed, not that it was funnier than Jon Dana’s.

  29. “I live over here in Tennessee where there are plenty of republicans who are good and reasonable people. Believe it or not…”

    My hometown of Maryville, TN is Republican to the core. However, they have a library the size of a shopping center. There is 10 miles of river walkways running through town that connects schools and parks. They built a skate park years ago. All of this with a conservative base? Hmmmm.

  30. Kirk Adcock

    Well said Jon. Simple and to the point. Truth is like that. I find it interesting that Thunder whatever and Dr. whatever (if you hide your idenity I see no reason to show respect) try so hard to convince us of their superior knowledge and intelligence. Anyone who has ever done any serious study of both Washington and Jefferson knows they never embraced Christanity as the Evangilist right sees it today. In fact, Jefferson created his own bible from the King James version of the New Testaament(yes I’ve read it) and took out any reference to any supernatural event. In other words, no walking on water, no being born from a virgin, no rising from the dead. Let’s remember history and the era of our founding fathers. It was the age of enlightment and our founding fathers for the most part were men of science. A number of them including Washington and Jefferson embraced the philosohy of Deism over Christianity of the day much less the right wing version of it today. For all of Thunder and Doctors long drawn out e-mails filled with their intelligence and links to back up their smarts they fall short for one simple reason. They ask us to accept and believe in something without question that has absolutely no scientific validity what so ever- their view of Christianity and therefore creation and the way the universe works. Sorry guys, but I think I’ll stick with science. It’s done the human race fairly well over the last 400 years. You can have your fairy tales.

  31. The founding fathers did mean NO ZONING though! and the Stompers are right on about that. It took Euclid and Kelo to ban affordable housing nationwide. I’m voting for Yelton and whoever else will stop zoning everywhere despite Nesbitt’s bible thumping. Zoning is that evil!!
    Unfortunately, Dunn didn’t move against zoning in Asheville and Ramsey didn’t in Beaverdam, so they don’t qualify, though I might have to settle for Ramsey.

    http://www.mountainx.com/news/2008/031908zacchaeus

  32. DR.ANTINEOCONUS

    Alancongratulations!!!!!! For awaking, you get it!! Zoning which inherently evil, is a symptom of a greater over all pandemic, called governmental slavery.
    87% of the sheep population will never get it, you BY right, own your property to the center of the earth and to the outer reaches of the atmosphere of this planet, least you laugh, those are lawful boundaries for private property not Real Estate.
    13% of people are waking up, those 13%, in the next 4 years are going to destroy the chains of tyranny that have bound people for the last 160 years.
    Check out this video. 2 hours of truth that will help solidify your epiphany. Government is a plaque on humanity, those who serve it,like the 501c3 churches who worship it, lick the hand of the Beast!

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009&q=Esoteric%20Agenda&total=42&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

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