URTV staff: members vote 33-12 for board member’s removal; controversies continue

URTV staff: members vote 33-12 for board member’s removal; controversies continue-attachment0

URTV members voted 33-12 on Wednesday to dismiss outspoken board member Davyne Dial, according to figures from URTV staff. However, Dial and her supporters have taken issue with the process.

The URTV studios were the scene of no small amount of tension and arguments. An Asheville police officer was in the offices during the proceedings.

Dial’s detractors asserted that the station is running well and that her actions caused negative publicity for the public-access channel.

“We’re moving forward, we’re trying to make this work,” URTV producer David Connor Jones said. “But negative stuff — portraying URTV as a shambles and not working properly — how does that help the membership? She’s being removed from the board because a lot of people are dissatisfied.”

Dial and her supporters replied that she’s just tried to bring attention to management and transparency issue,s and that she should not be penalized for, in the words of URTV producer Sean McNeal, “exercising her First Amendment rights; she’s being censored.”

The poll, lasting from 1 to 10 p.m. in URTV’s office,s was a last-minute change from a member’s meeting originally scheduled for that night. In objection to the change, Dial and others held a “nonmeeting” to discuss issues facing the station.

Board member Sandra Bradbury was there, and said that while the notice changing from a meeting to a poll had been signed “URTV Board of Directors,” she’d had no knowledge of it.

“It seems like they’re going off on their own and having secret meetings,” she said. “I hadn’t heard anything about it.”

Dial confirmed she had retained an attorney who had called URTV and said that any votes counted before 7 p.m. were invalid.

“I retained an attorney because this process is not legal,” she said. “Me standing on my own and saying that wouldn’t have the same weight. I did not threaten to sue, the attorney just said, ‘Hey, if you do this, it’s not legal.’”

But Treasurer Joe Scotto said that transparency concerns have been resolved and that URTV is following the state’s open-meetings law, as its required to do by its contracts with the city and county, who funnel a portion of cable fees to the channel.

“There’s no secret meetings,” he said. “Our meetings are open, they’ve been filmed. We’ve addressed these concerns.”

“You failed to speak up, Joe — you were a part of it,” Board member Richard Bernier, who’s also facing a dismissal attempt, said of transparency concerns.

“The issues that have been resolved — about open meetings — have only been done because me and Richard and I have been insisting these things are done,” Dial said. “If nothing else happens, and I get kicked off the board, I feel pretty good because things are looking up, people are paying attention. This is an important public entity to our community. I’m sorry that it had to come to this point, but you have a management style that forces a push-comes-to-shove situation, which is extremely unfortunate.”

Both Dial and Bernier said they’re willing to sit down with URTV’s management and other board members to work out their disagreements.

After the vote, Dial sent out a list of criticisms of the process, including that her supporters hadn’t been told to vote after 7 p.m. while her opponents had, and that the necessary membership meeting had never been called to order.

— David Forbes, staff writer

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162 thoughts on “URTV staff: members vote 33-12 for board member’s removal; controversies continue

  1. Fred Keister

    Is anyone surprised that Davyne won’t go quietly? She is a leftwing gadfly who only knows how to whine. Davyne, just go quietly and move on. That’s the adult thing to do.

  2. Deja_vu_all_over_ again

    Just like when Peter Brezney got on Pat’s dismissal list for looking too closely at the finances……

    Why does being a responsible board member who understands that there needs to be a checks and balances system to avoid abuse, get one canned? Who benefits from this drama? Garlinghouse is a past master at demonizing someone who threatens her little fiefdom, and excellent in rallying the unsuspecting naive members against someone. That is precisely what has happened here. After this group is gone, trust me there will be another individual or group to target /demonize and get rid of. This is never ending, it has been happening since she arrived.

    Garlinghouse is operating a publicly funded public access station like it’s her own private business. That is what is behind all the drama.

  3. “But Treasurer Joe Scotto said that transparency concerns have been resolved”

    Will Treasurer Joe Scotto submit URTV financial records to an audit by the county for fiscal year 2007?

  4. Tim,do you think that maybe pat just dictates emails to curt,and tells him to sign them(“the board”),and then the board finds out what they said when they read the email?? I do not think that is the way it is suppose to work…this dose show how pat can not even follow her own rules.. she just has to brake the rules. she can not help it..pat can not follow one rule.she will not be told what to do by anyone.. no rule can restrain her.. she must be free.. set her free,set her free. go,go,and be free pat. just go..

  5. also i must say that under this ED i have seen urtv change from a wonderful fun place,in to a place filled with hate,and much venom..i have never seen anything like it,and it is very sad..

  6. william mesmer

    The politics that plague this public access station keep higher quality productions and producers out. This is unfortunate because this should be a thriving outlet for the creative. Good luck URTV, I hope all the end fighting stops and the collective creative wins out, or we all will lose.

  7. John Carpenter

    URTV has been operating as a circus for many years due to its clueless and totalitarian inclined staff. There has been no need for any member(s) to be blamed for any “negative stuff (publicity)”… the management has and continues to do a superlative job at that! A name change to DramaTV would certainly be in order for consideration at the next dictatorial assembly. Indeed, the only consistent service URTV actually provides to the community is embarrassment. The inception of URTV was a very good idea at first, then once established and Kurt was ejected, it has been a train wreck ever since and only spirals further into useless oblivion – thanks to some mighty incompetent/self-serving/back-PATting hands. I personally won’t go anywhere near the place, let alone to be charged a fee for doing so. I thought it was supposed to be Public Access TV and not the Public Asses TV it has surely become!

    –JC

  8. Sundance

    “Is anyone surprised that Davyne won’t go quietly? She is a leftwing gadfly who only knows how to whine. Davyne, just go quietly and move on. That’s the adult thing to do.”

    The adult thing to do would have been not to remove her illegally like they did.

    The Adult thing to do would have been to be transparent like they are required to.

    The adult thing to do would be to obey their own Bylaws.

    The adult thing to to would have been not to let Dale Joyner conduct a witch hunt without providing specific evidence to back up the slanderous charges she made.

    and now….

    The adult thing for the general public to do is not allow this circus called URTV is demand city and county councils cut foo all funding to URTV until all of the issues at URTV get fixed and if it doesn’t, put URTV in its coffin and bury it.

  9. Sundance

    Meant to say:

    The adult thing for the general public to do is not allow this circus called URTV to continue and demand city and county councils cut off all funding to URTV until all issues and management problems are fixed and if it does not get fixed…..

    Put URTV in a coffin, nail the lid shut and bury the freaking thing!

  10. Deja_vu_all_over_ again

    ““But Treasurer Joe Scotto said that transparency concerns have been resolved””……………………………………..

    There is a reason Davyne was denied access to financial records….there is a reason she was denied the membership list, there is a reason why that circus of a “membership” meeting was called and Dale Joyner ran out of Studio A and rather than stand and voice her concerns to Dial, face to face, instead of running like the loud mouthed coward she is…..there is a reason all the haters stayed out of studio A and could not or would not address their concerns and allow Dial to state her side of this controversy. There is a reason why this meeting got so screwed up and that all the other concerns re-hashed here, over and over still loom in the air.

    The kind answer says it’s plain old incompetence. A not so kind person, wonders about real malfeasance and fear driven kneejerk reactions to remove a threat that they’re about to be revealed.

    I’m betting on the second “not so nice” option. Blaming the messenger has always been the way of people who are up to no good.

  11. famous_film_critic

    What we need is a better class of zombies than you lowlifes (or lowdeads) out there trashing URTV. In thinking on WHO could possibly do a documentary commemorating and explaining the current crop of crazies attacking URTV, it comes to my mind that only the great Lloyd Kaufman and Troma Entertainment could do it justice in his inspiration stylist rending.

    Lloyd, at least, HAS BEEN to URTV and knows it is worthwhile, which is more than most of you idiots can say.

    Lurch away, zombies, lurch away. Come back no other day. … and for Peter Brezny and Tim Peck, we have purchased crosses, lots of garlic, and written an imploring letter to Buffy, asking us to help resolve this issue.

  12. Sundance

    oh but “famous_film_critic” I have been to URTV quite a few times, and every time something just did not feel right. At one point I was going to actually join and then everything started seeping through the vault you folks had built to conceal the skeletal remains and dead corpse you folks had hidden away hoping no one would ever find out.

    Now you folks decided to not follow your own bylaws and then the icing on the cake was you decided to blindly follow Dale Joyner and have a membership vote to remove Ms. Dail and your own freaking bylaws say you can’t remove her that way. Now who are you calling pathetic?

    I will tell you who is pathetic, go look in the mirror and you will find the answer as to who is pathetic!

    I think it’s time to shut URTV down and bury it since you folks refuse acknowledge that your incapable of following your own bylaws, your incapable of doing your own fund raising so you continue to ask the county and city for handouts and you would rather ignore the continual mismanagement of URTV by your ED rather then take the actions neccessary to fix the issue as in getting rid of her or holding her accountable the board and membership as well as the public of Asheville and Buncombe county.

  13. Rick_Taylor

    Not a trainwreck at all, Sundance. URTV runs smoothly and several times above expectations considering how little money it gets (and NONE of that is public according to my research, find out what PEG money really is — i.e. ‘bribes’ out of cable company profits, NOT public money).

    The only ones saying URTV is bad connected directly with URTV is Bernier and FORMER board member Dial.

    Like I said, the Ricker has done his research. All opponents of URTV should watch this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

    You will understand afterwards.

  14. Sundance

    Actually Rick the PEG money is paid to the city and county and then a portion is given to URTV. As the money goes to the city and county first it is indeed public money…no matter how you wish to slice and dice it…you are dead wrong about it not being public money….and its not bribes it is a hold over from the old days in which it was a franchise fee for exclusivity, so yeah I’ve done my research.

    These days money is also similarly paid to the state government, which happened when the law was changed, and then it is distributed as the state sees fit, if they decide to even divvy it out but both methods are indeed public funding. So it is you who needs to do a little more research……. c apish?

    As in URTV running smoothly I fail to see how any sane person is capable of saying that when your management can’t follow their bylaws, you did not disclose finances until forced to do and you don’t obey open meeting laws, and before you say you do where are the meeting minutes that no one can ever see and have not been posted on the website in a very long time?

    Stop peddling the URTV innocence line, as folks aren’t buying it anymore. Since you are one of the ones that think everything is hunky dory over there you too are another person out to fleece the public out of its money and not fix your problems and it is just one more reason why its time to say good bye, take it out into the pasture, shoot it and then bury it.

  15. Rick_Taylor

    Sundance, you appear to exhibit a pathological hatred of URTV … it is not justified. If you don’t want to participate, don’t participate. Leave the many who get so much return out of URTV continue serving the community.

    You didn’t watch the Ricker’s video, did you? Watch it and all will be clear to you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

  16. James L

    Peter/Sundance/whatever you want to call yourself this week:

    It’s getting really tiring listening to you talk of other people’s practices when your entire vendetta against the place is simply based upon your inability to secure an after the fact contract for donated services and realize a revenue stream from them. Your drama and faux nobility is hardly based on legitimate criticism. You didn’t get to abuse the rules or the funding to your personal benefit and your bent outa shape. Even attempting to defraud the IRS with unauthorized write offs related to URTV wasn’t enough, you have to tear the place down as well huh?

    Here’s a news flash…They’re tearing the place down with or without you. You’re just one of the causes. What you all have in common is a distorted view of your importance and a desire to make the place your private, personal, slush fund or playground. Classic and stereotypical causes that have shut these type places down all over the country. The loud mouthed self proclaimed creative Asheville community can’t even fail in an original way.

  17. “The only ones saying URTV is bad connected directly with URTV is Bernier and FORMER board member Dial.”

    What would lead anyone to believe that Ms. Dial is a former board member?

    The procedure for removing a board member is outlined in the bylaws. As this procedure has not been executed, there is no removal. In fact, every effort has been made to circumvent the rules. It’s like a crime to cover a crime to cover a further crime.

    I would like to thank Ms. Dial and Mr. Bernier for their efforts to save URTV from its self-induced death-spiral of duplicity and deceit. Their honesty and integrity stand in stark contrast to the enablers of mischief.

    If, however, URTV continues on its current course, they will have failed to save the organization. But it will not be due to any inaction on their part. It will be due entirely to the perpetrators of incompetence and malfeasance and all of their grinning enablers.

    Come November, I fear their grins will invert.

  18. Sundance

    “your inability to secure an after the fact contract for donated services and
    realize a revenue stream from them.”

    James L I suggest you get your facts straight before you allow your potty mouth to go spouting off the verbal diarrhea it likes to spew.

    I have never done anything to secure a contract for donated services as in a write off for my taxes or develop a revenue stream after the fact. As a matter of fact Sir, I do a lot of donations and never write a single penny of it off. I don’t even use the stupid receipt from Good Will on my taxes so don’t just sit back and blast me trying to find an excuse for your own fraudulent ways or trying to make yourself look important because maybe you just got threw doing your taxes, late I might add, because it took you so long to find a newer way of screwing the IRS out of money it was legitimately entitled to!

  19. URTV Member

    James L. NAILED IT!!!

    Peter, your vendetta against URTV is becomming painfully transparent. It is beyond obvious you’re posting as sundance. You don’t give a sh#% about open meetings and transparancy, you have a personal vendetta against the board and Pat since they put an end to your questionable activities. You are really giving quite a black eye to Asheville’s creative community that you pretend to support. You verbose rantings are wearing thin.

    David Forbes, I don’t know if you are personal friends with any of these people, but your one sided reporting is getting to be a joke. Of course no one at URTV will talk to you, for weeks now you have been pushing one sided stories with a consistant anti URTV slant.
    I don’t blame them for ignoring you.
    A perfect example of this is when you wrote:

    “her supporters hadn’t been told to vote after 7 p.m. while her opponents had”

    David, SHE is the one who hired a lawyer and insisted votes not count that were cast before 7pm! This is her fault! Had she let the votes count all day she might have gotten more support. So she changes the hours of voting in hopes to minimize the votes against her and then complains about the hours changing when it doesn’t help her. Worse than the complete insanity of this, is that you actually PRINTED IT!!!
    Of course you would NEVER consider reporting this story from that angle would you.
    Seriously David, you’re becoming like Maury Povich and Paternity tests.

  20. Sundance

    “Sundance, you appear to exhibit a pathological hatred of URTV … it is not justified. If you don’t want to participate, don’t participate. Leave the many who get so much return out of URTV continue serving the community.

    You didn’t watch the Ricker’s video, did you? Watch it and all will be clear to you:”

    Yes I watched your stupid video and it is absolutely worthless when folks are incapable of following their own rules. I don’t hate URTV, however I will not continue to help support a back stabbing organization that lies, cheats and steals and is incapable of following its own bylaws and does not have any desire to uphold and follow the agreements it made with both the city and county government. You folks/children have been give time to fix the childish mess and behavior and won’t. Since you won’t perhaps the public should take your “allowance” away.

  21. James W

    I have been following the recent developments of URTV for quite sometime. In this current thread we have Rick wanting everybody to watch an 80′s video, come together and ignore all the wrong doings of the management at URTV including the illegal membership vote to remove a board member. Rick, read all of the bylaws, Tim is correct. You can not remove a board member via a membership vote. Second, URTV changed the vote to a poll, it also changed the time. The attempted changes, which I am beginning to think was done to stack the deck against Ms. Dial, would require another 10 day notice to be mailed out to everyone. The notification method was not performed or met. The membership meeting was never called to order; Dale Joyner never presented any evidence to support her charges against Ms. Dial and Ms. Dial was never given the chance to mount a defense against the charges. As a matter of fact she has never been able to see any of the evidence. You call that fair? Even criminal courts have a discovery phase where the defense is allowed to see the evidence of the prosecution.

    James L perhaps you should stop attacking and conducting witch hunts? Also it is safe to say it is pretty immature on your part to attack and accuse individuals of financial wrongdoing by assuming they are someone who they might not even be. Sundance, Turn it down a notch.

    I am beginning to agree with John, Tim and Sundance that the only way URTV will ever clean up the mess is if it is forced to by the public through county and city governments. The tools both municipalities have at their disposal are to not renew the management agreement with URTV and suspend funding. At this point I think they should proceed forward with this process since it appears on the surface that the URTV executive director and board are not and have not complied with their own bylaws, open meeting laws, financial transparency or the management agreements with the county and city.

  22. truth_sayer

    Good points, URTV Member. David Forbes and the Mountainx have an obvious vendetta going against URTV. If Forbes had an ounce of journalistic integrity he would have dug and found the real story behind why Bernier and Dial are so upset and it does not have a thing to do with open meetings or transparency.

    Here’s a hint to you David, check their commercial connections. Look into ashevilletv.net (now failed but they tried to rip off URTV content) and uswebtalkradio.com (also failing). And check out the political angle of Bernier trying to look big for his supposed buddies at the Buncombe GOP (most of whom do not care that much for him if truth is to be told, he’s a wild cannon as URTV has found out).

    Yes, look into the real story, Forbes. You have a lot of amends to make and apologies to render.

    As for Brezny, we all know his story by now.

  23. James W

    URTV Member and James L your continual witch hunt is not only ridiculous but it is childish, pointless and unfounded. Did either of you have a look at the profile before proclaiming Sundance is Peter? It is very obvious you rushed to judgment and did not check your facts first.

    According to the Mountain X, Sundance joined the community on March 31, 2007 at 11:41pm and has posted several replies on articles and topics on the forum which is long before all the crap at URTV including Peter Brezny which was in November of 2007. The two of you should really do your research first before attacking. Is there a reason the two of you wish to cause further embarrassment to URTV?

    URTV Member, can you not discuss the real and fundamental issues rather join in James L’s witch hunt? URTV member, folks on these threads have asked for answers in regards to board meeting minutes not being available? Bad/creative accounting and finances from a link to documents on ourasheville.org? Censorship of an individual’s first amendment rights by trying to have them to sign a gag order and when they refused, attempting to have a membership meeting to vote out a board member and URTV’s bylaws do not even allow for that process? These questions and many others have been asked of URTV members never been answered satisfactorily by members or URTV management. Rather then address the questions you resort to attacking individuals.

    Do you know how that makes URTV? I’ll give you the answer. Pathetic! You look childish and pathetic but you want us to continue to support you? Why should we? James L and you have now helped me make up my mind not to support and ask our local governments not to support you either. I have said what I came to say and I am done here. Good-Bye

  24. James L

    I’m sorry, but I am fully confident of Mr. Brezny’s continual contributions to this forum under his alias of the week. His references to his personal gripe site ourasheville.org is also rather apparent in addition to the other not so subtle technical trails he leaves behind and is absurdly unaware of when he proclaims to be an I.T. admin. If he wants to go on pretending to be a concerned reader currently residing in Mexico, that’s his option, but no fake profile or I.P. re-routing can hide his actual identity. His agenda and basis for being disgruntled are also common knowledge, but most have choosen not to bring it up despite his continual trashing of the place he tried to get over on.

  25. Jon Elliston

    Folks:

    Thanks for continuing to discuss the URTV matter here. And while we know it’s become a heated set of issues for some, please refrain from letting that heat turn into name-calling and personal insults. For example, don’t call a fellow commentor a “dummy” or an “idiot.” We’re trying to keep the dialog civil here, even — and especially — when people strongly disagree.

    And regarding the Xpress reporting on URTV, most of which has been by David Forbes of late: We have no vendetta against the station. Why would we? David has worked hard to report as much of this story as he can get his hands on; his efforts have been somewhat stymied from time to time when key figures in the ongoing debates have refused to answer his queries or even give their side of the story.

    With this story, as with all the ones we work on, we don’t take sides, and we endeavor to share as many relevant perspectives as we can. The more that people from all sides of a given debate will talk to our reporter, the more complete the reporting can be.

    Jon Elliston
    Managing Editor

  26. James W

    James L why is it that you will not look at the facts as they will only lead you to the truth. Go to Sundance’s profile and click on it and while your on it, click on all of the posts that user has posted. You will indeed see that you are totally uninformed and once again simply labeling yourself as an uncreaditable source of information as well as a continued embarrasment bot only to yourself but URTV and its cause. Your deeds and actions only cause further damage and the eventual destruction of public access television in Asheville/Buncombe County.

    By the way truth_sayer since you wanted to bring up conflicts of interests in URTV board management should you also not be talking about Ralph Roberts and Pat Garlinghouses venture that additionally uses URTV resources. It is called 1Video Productions, LLC. Amazing, why would you not point that out as well?

    Check it out at http://1vid.com

    Good Bye you three, have fun with your false and misleading witch hunt that serves no purpose except to further cast URTV in a bad light.

  27. Sundance

    Hahaha James L you are really a fictional piece of work in progress. My suggestion is you read what others have told you here. Look on my profile, look at my posts. By the way I got that link from someone else off of another thread.

    Truth_sayer while your throwing mud how come you failed to mention some of the other “For profit” ventires at URTV’s expense that your own secretary is involved in. Go to the URTV forms and look at Ralph Roberts websites he has listed in his profile.

    Its been nice folks but I am getting a bit tired of you folks continuing to shoot yourself in the foot and make yourselves look like amuter infants with a bad case of colic. I could have a better and more enlightening debate with a tree. My work is done here, you proudly stepped forward and demonstrated to the public that you as well as URTV desrves no support from the community.

    Everything you have stated over and over has been continually proven wrong and shown, except for a few people, what handout begging fools the public is dealing with in regards to URTV.

    James L perhaps you should try out for a role on Guiding Light or Days of Our Lives.

  28. Sundance

    “absurdly unaware of when he proclaims to be an I.T. admin”

    I never claimed to be an IT admin, I pointed out that there site was a CMS site capable of helping them achieve true transparency and that I had made an offer a very long time ago of help before all of this nonsense started when I was thinking of joining URTV but as I said even back then something felt out of place and over time James L you and others only proved my gut instinct to be true.

    Once again you failed to do adequate research before you spouted off again, didn’t you?

    I think travelah is now making it very apparent how many are beginning to feel about URTV and your ways.

  29. James L

    I’m hardly a supporter of what’s going on at URTV. Everyone involved has made a mockery of themselves throughout their little drama. And you’re a fraud Peter. Nuf Said.

  30. truth_sayer

    Mr. Elliston, thank you for your comments but any reasonable reader of your paper and its website has to disagree.

    Over 20 articles in the past four months, all slanted against URTV? There are an almost infinite number of more important stories out there about far greater venues — why all the focus on URTV when no other media has picked it up? The only answer is _vendetta_.

    The saddest part of all this is that by encouraging Bernier and Dial, you are doing them a great disservice as they keep moving on into make legally actionable mistakes thanks to your reporter telling them they are right (a one-sided view as already mentioned). One of these two, I understand, it already in legal trouble and the other on the verge.

    MountainX needs to back off until it understands what is really going on. And all the fools on here with no knowledge you give free reign to should consider their moral and legal obligations as well.

    And, most of all, you are unjustifiably damaged a great community resource, URTV.

  31. Sundance

    oh don’t worry Dr. Blackwell I have learned to over the years and what James L, URTV member, Rick_Taylor and Truth-sayer hate is that I will speak my mind when something is wrong and anybody that does a little homework can see that their are major issues at URTV and ignored and left alone like they and others want to do will lead to the eventual destruction of URTV.

    That being the case why should anyone want to continue to allow their local governments to give Pat, Ralph, Dale Joyner, Glolady, Brother Christopher, the above mentioned folks and others one single penny of funding.

    By the way, what they did to you was equally unfair.

  32. FED UP

    By the way truth_sayer since you wanted to bring up conflicts of interests in URTV board management should you also not be talking about Ralph Roberts and Pat Garlinghouses venture that additionally uses URTV resources. It is called 1Video Productions, LLC. Amazing, why would you not point that out as well?

    Check it out at http://1vid.com

    James W, 1VID is owned by Ralph Roberts and Pat Roberts and they use their own equipment (cameras and editing equipment, etc.) and studio.

  33. Fed Up

    Posted by James W, May 04, 2009, at 05:48 PM: By the way truth_sayer since you wanted to bring up conflicts of interests in URTV board management should you also not be talking about Ralph Roberts and Pat Garlinghouses venture that additionally uses URTV resources. It is called 1Video Productions, LLC. Amazing, why would you not point that out as well? Check it out at http://1vid.com

    1vid.com and 1vid is owned by Ralph Roberts and Pat Roberts. They use their equipment which includes but not limited to: Cameras, studio and editing computer.

  34. Fed Up

    A Clearer statement on 1VID.

    1vid.com and 1vid is owned by Ralph Roberts and Pat Roberts. They use their OWN (1VID) equipment which includes but not limited to: Cameras, studio and editing computer.

  35. Sundance

    Fed up I sincerely doubt that all of the equipment belongs to Mr. Roberts and what is Ralph a member of…URTV….additionally you and others on here are blasting other websites claiming they are trying to use URTV to make money so Ralph’s little website is equally open to discussion and scrutiny and since you folks have been going down this witch hunt its fair to say that Ralphs little website is a conflict of interest as he is the secretary of the URTV board…and that position has a more depth involvement in the operations of URTV then the board positions of Dial and Bernier.

    You folks brought it up so don’t start crying and having a temper tantrum again because once again you called on it and had your facts questioned and founded to be untrue.

    As for you truth_sayer for your information Mountain X is not the only media outlet to have reported on problems at URTV as the Citizen Times did a piece a while ago…Once again your truths were proven to be absolute falsehoods commonly known as lies.

    Perhaps we should change your name to lie_sayer?

    And now “Fed Up” we know that you are Ralph…see I can be just like James L, and say this person and that person is so and so without any factual information, how do you like it?

  36. Sundance

    “I’m hardly a supporter of what’s going on at URTV. Everyone involved has made a mockery of themselves throughout their little drama. And you’re a fraud Peter. Nuf Said.”

    Once again where is your evidence…you have none. Facts are facts and have proven I am not who you said I am. Would you like to make an international call to me…LMAO. Seriously, let me know via PM and I will give you the number.

    By the way James L, face the facts you are simply a little mindless Pat drone that is incapable of having a single thought of your own….you have made an absolute joke out of yourself and it fits you perfectly. Now, hurry up and run back to Pat and others at URTV so you can find out what they want you to say next.
    :-)

  37. Fremont "Fed Up"

    Sundance stated: And now “Fed Up” we know that you are Ralph. As you can now see Sundance I am not Ralph. When will you come clear as to who you are? Why keep us in the dark? Isn’t it time you backed up all you say by giving us your true name?

  38. Fremont "Fed Up"

    Sundance states: Fed up I sincerely doubt that all of the equipment belongs to Mr. Roberts.

    Well, Sundance you know not what you speak, as Ralph does have all that equipment as I do to. Ralph nor I need to use any of URTV’s equipment. I know for a fact that I have not and I know Ralph has not used any of URTV’s equipment outside of the studio. Even through we are both members and are entitled to use URTV’s equipment we do not. We DO SHOW are work on URTV which as members are also entitled to do. We are also allowed place or sell our work at or on other venues. What did you think the purpose of public access TV?

  39. Sundance

    The point is Fremont you folks are calling into question other websites also owned by individuals and it’s so wrong for them to to do that so if the shoe fits I am going to make you wear it as well, ok? You and others are calling a kettle black so its fitting to question your ventures as well is it not? If you think it is so unfair you and others at URTV should have never brought it up in your little witch hunt.

  40. Fremont

    First off I am not “You Folks”. I am Fremont and I have never called into question any one’s website. Their website is their business not mine.

    Sundance states: I am going to make you wear it. As I have not done as you state – JUST how are you going to make me wear it?

    Still waiting for an answer to: When will you come clear as to who you are? Why keep us in the dark? Isn’t it time you backed up all you say by giving us your true name? Why don’t you wear your true name?

  41. Sundance

    Additionally you folks are questioning uswebtalkradio, if the individual who started it wants to start something like that, its their right. URTV was not started to be in the radio business as it looks to be trying to do via their website and it does not have imminent domain on it just like Wally at MAIN does not . Quite frankly it’ a stupid idea on URTV’s part and is a waste of resources. There are thousand of internet broadcasters and anyone can start their own little station with a Winamp player, some plugins and signing up for an account at 365live.

    If the members of uswebtalkradio have permission to run the audio versions of the URTV programs from the producer what’s the big deal? If I understood correctly ownership of a production belongs to the producer of the programming and they have the right to do whatever they want to do with it as long as it has run once on URTV.

    The ontinued witch hunts and bad mouthing of various websites is amazing on URTV’s part and only demonstrates why URTV should not receive any more funding. Rather then fess up to the issues and problems you folks currently have you folks keep throwing up more smoke screens and roadblock and on at least that one note I agree with James L.

    The management and remaining board members at URTV are ridiculous and you need to admit to yourselves you broke your own bylaws over and over again and its time for you to reconcile with everyone you ran off rather then continually bad mouthing them and come up with some real solutions to fixing URTV and if that means the ED has to go, or a whole new board and president has to be voted in, then that is what you have to do. It is just ludicrous behavior on the part of URTV members as to all the untrue charges you continue to throw out there with no evidence or concrete facts and you are only hurting yourselves…why can you folks not see that.

    I’m done with all the drama here; I will keep promoting the idea of no more funding for URTV until I see some real meaningful changes at the station. Meaningful changes include but are not limited to transparency, obeying your bylaws, open meeting laws, some private fund raising on URTV’s part, and sticking to your agreements with the county and city. If anyone wants to talk you can email or PM me via my profile. .

  42. Sundance

    Fremont…I have used this name for years and I said if URTV folks were going to bring up these issues then bringing up other URTV members sites is only fair. Additionally if your so concerned about who I am maybe I shoulld ask you the same thing as your posting on here anonymously and do not even have a profile. For that matter so does Fed Up and Truth_sayer so before you talk down to me don’t you think it would be appropriate on your part to get your own house in order first?

    As stated earlier you can click on my profile and see I was here long before your URTV soap opera and posts I have made and if “Fed UP” is Ralph how come he is not posting under his account on Mountain X? I take more stock in folks that actually have accounts on MOuntainX rather then anonymous posters.

    You actually sound a little like Glolady.

  43. Fremont V. Brown III

    I don’t care if you have used “Sundance” for years. Yes, I did use Fed Up to get a point across. But, I decided it is important that if, you want people to believe you, you should use your real name. So, check out my website: virgilproductions.com. So, again I ask you want is your name? Why should any one out there really believe anyone on the internet without knowing who they are?

    For someone who values transparency so much, you are certainly are not giving what you ask for. Why should anyone read your posts?

    Its easy to say things when no body out there knows who you are.

  44. R.Bernier

    I stand by facts, Ms.Dail is a great board member. Ms.Dail stood up for the rights of our members & the citizens at large to film the exective meetings & requested the board to follow the by laws of URTV.

    The meetings now can be filmed, (thanks chairman) but at what cost? Could the board have answered this question without a fight?

    Their was no need in all of this, im sad for I support URTV 100% but not that of our current power structure.

    To any member of URTV, I am open to talk direct with you & even be on your show to share my thoughts.

    I for one am ready to move on.
    R.Bernier

    PS…Www.UsWebTalkRadio.Com has only been online for about six months but we have over 45,000 listners per day with almost 20 radio hosts.
    (Live Stream Numbers at bottom of homepage)Look at our alexa’s numbers – we are happy were we are at this time.
    Todate, we dont need public access material or have used it in our format.

  45. Sundance

    hmmm..your site is just a clone site giving credit to Ralph Roberts and their is zero bio on you yourself just like their is zero info on Mountainx as in history and former post by you so there is absolutely no reason for me to give my information to someone who continues to ask but is unwilling to provide the same info…more lack of transparency on your part and by the way should be not be questioning your website as it has a link to pricing?

    Later…get over it!
    :-)

  46. Fremont

    Sundance states: to give my information to someone who continues to ask but is unwilling to provide the same info. All I asked was your name. I give mine.

    My website is out there for all to see and its not a clone, plus there is no pricing on the website. But, so what if it had pricing on it and I was selling videos. Every company is in business to make money. URTV says you can not sell items on URTV. I don’t.

    The bio or profile you talk about on MountainX has nothing on it about you but, a listing a town in Mexico. How many times you posted means nothing. So much for the transparency you are always talking about. My site shows a video of me, gives phone number and e-mail address. Any one the world can see who I am and get in touch. I ain’t hiding.

    So, Sundance hide away. As I said before: Its easy to say things when no body out there knows who you are.

    The point of my posts is that its not someone in Mexico place to worry about URTV. Let the hundreds of members, the city and county worry about URTV. Not someone who is not a member and does not pay Asheville or Buncombe Co. taxes and can not backup what they state with a name, at least.

    Richard, good you for you for stating: To any member of URTV, I am open to talk direct with you & even be on your show to share my thoughts.

    I for one am ready to move on.
    R.Bernier

    I am also moving on.

    Fremont V. Brown III

  47. truth_sayer

    I stand by facts, Ms.Dail is a great board member. Ms.Dail stood up for the rights of our members & the citizens at large to film the exective meetings & requested the board to follow the by laws of URTV.

    Bernier … it seems like by now you could at least spell your cohort in crime, Ms. Dial’s, name. That’s D-I-A-L. Only four letters.

    And she did nothing about getting the meetings filmed. Whatever an ‘exective’ meeting is, I don’t think anyone allows them to be filmed. What the everloving heck does filming a board meeting matter anyhow? The URTV board, as I understand it, meets only every two months and is just an advisory group like most boards anyway. What are you and D-I-A-L making such a big thing of it?

    Anyway, she’s off the board and I hear you will be very soon.

    Grow up.

    And just keep believing 45,000 people a day listen to your web talk station. Even you should know more about the Internet than that by now. … but… I bet they’ll let you invest more money in it. And that bridge in Brooklyn they are opening soon.

  48. Hi, everybody. I voted to remove Davynne from the board because I have anything personal against her but because it appears to me that she (and Richard Bernier, who I do know and like personally) have unfortunately used their “first amendment rights” to accuse Pat Garlinghouse and the Board of corruption, discrimination and host of other slanderous things publicly in the media and also to city and county officials in matters of public. First they went to the Express and did this, and then they went further in their letter to City Manager Gary Jackson. I do not see their words and actions in the press or to the city as being thoughtful or constructive for URTV, which they claim to support, nor do I see their slanderous innuendo as befitting of an upstanding board member. The only criticism they have levied that to me seemed at all fair and on balance was their criticism of an “oath” that was attempted to be administered to the board to insure confidentiality regarding speaking on behalf of URTV, which apparently Richard agreed to in a board meeting and signed, and then went to the Express to recant it. I, like Richard and Davynne do not believe in oaths, so I would not want one administered either, and I would never have signed it if it was in act an “oath” … however, my understanding was that it was not an actual oath but a simple confidentiality clause: I do see the wisdom of having confidentiality and appointing a spokesperson for the board, but that should be in the bylaws and not issued in the form of an oath.

    Now as far as slander and libel goes, lets look at what David Forbes printed without any corroboration in that MT Express cover article that went terribly negative on URTV a few months ago:

    “I was approached by Pat [Garlinghouse] and asked to come on the board,” Bernier reports. “I told her I hadn’t ever sat on a board before. She said, ‘Don’t worry—just come in, vote for what I’ve got to present, and it will look good on your resumé.’

    WOW! That is a pretty damning thing to say about and ED. Did she really say that? Of course she did. How do we know that? Because Richard said she did. How do we know we can believe Richard? Because he is an honest man and an upstanding member of the community and the board and an ex-cop and a close friend of Don Yelton’s. Of course, he would never misquote Pat to make her look bad in the press. The problem here is there is no way to ascertain the truth in this situation. Even if Pat did respond we would be no closer to the Truth. That statement should never have been printed without corroboration. It implies that Pat is corrupt and manipulating the board. That is a strong accusation to make and generally you should not make such a claim publicly unless you can prove it. Pat was wise not to respond. All she would have been able to say is “that is not true.” She cannot possibly prove that she did not say that, and Richard would just go to town getting her goat. It is a classic underhanded method of character assassination.

    “The pattern was to get as many people on the board that she felt were in her pocket, so she wouldn’t have to answer to us,” Dial asserts.

    Davynne is guilty as the same deal as above … this statement should not have been run without corroboration. That is classic YELLOW journalism. It is a form of character assassination. I think this kind of behavior is below a board member that genuinely cares about URTV. I think it is grounds for removal and I am glad the membership voted 3 to 1 to remove her on these grounds. I hope she will continue to be a productive member of URTV but she is clearly not suited for the board if she is going slander the ED in the local paper.

    Another Bernier quote from this crackerjack piece of “journalism” that the Express ran with:

    “I have nothing personal,” Bernier maintains. “I want URTV to succeed; I want it to be the beacon on the top of the hill that shines out freedom of speech, and that simply is not occurring.”

    But the Express writer does not back that statement up either.

    It is certainly fair of Richard to state that URTV is not supporting free speech, IF that is actually true. Where is the evidence to back his claim up? Whose show is being nixed? Whose free speech is being supressed at URTV? They run every type of speech there is on the channel at appropriate times, from “God save us from the UFO’s” to “go f**k you mother” … this channel is a smorgasbourde of “free speech,” from far left to far right and that is a good thing in my opinion. I do not understand what Richard meant by claiming in the media that URTV does not support free speech.

  49. The argument I have heard put forth by well meaning people that have surprised me in their support of Davynne and Richard speaking like this to the press, is that this is a “first amendment issue.” If that were actually the case, I would be supporting them too. But that is not what is happening here. They have every right to go to the press and talk negatively about URTV … and the ED and the board, as they have done like 20 times now. They have every right to go on Don Yelton’s show and present their case – very poorly – to the public, which they have done twice. No one has stopped them from doing that. They want to make it seem like that confidentiality clause was about stifling free speech. I think it was about stopping destructive speech that was not approved by the board from damaging the station in the public eye.

    Trent Lott, a senator you may be familiar with, has every right to tell racist jokes. That is protected speech under the 1st amendment. (Even less “light hearted” hate speech is protected under the first amendment, as long as it is not libelous or threatening.) But if Trent goes out and says things like “I think black people are incompetent and dishonest and should be fired from the jobs they have risen to via affirmative action,” then you will probably see him very quickly removed from positions of power on committees and boards and probably very soon voted out of the senate, unless all his constituents are racists. Davynne and Richard have every right to put down URTV’s management and board and go to the media and call URTV a failure in the offing AS CITIZENS. That is protected speech. As long as they are not wrongfully trying to destroy someone’s career or committing libel. (Then they are probably in store for a nasty counter suit.) But if they choose to slander some one in the public eye and to the city manager, they in turn have every right to be removed from the board for such wreckless actions.

    So what is the issue here? Why did 33 people out of 45 vote to remove Davynne on Wed? Was it because all those people want to suppress her right under the 1st amendment to talk destructively about the ED and the “weak” board and URTV. I don’t think so. The folks that showed up and voted 3 to 1 to have her removed. They voted to have her removed because the majority believed she is not representing URTV fairly or wisely in public. They think she is doing a very bad job and so they voted to get her out of there ASAP. As far as elections go, they don’t get judged based on the real numbers of members that CAN vote in a democracy … elections are decided by those members of a democracy that actually care enough to come out and vote. Out of some 230(?) members of URTV, close to 60 came down to vote on Wed. 15 or so were thrown out – not allowed to vote after Davynne called in talking about a lawyer and hinting at a law suit. So out of the 45 left 33 said “we no longer have confidence in you.” 12 voted to keep her on. 15 that wanted to vote early were shut out for fear of a lawsuit from Davynne, who supposedly cares about URTV . And I guess 170 members didn’t care either way enough to come vote, even with a 30 day notice, which they all received. As we all know, you can’t make everyone that should vote, get out and do it. But this does not nullify an election.

  50. I respectfully disagree with managing editor, Jon Eliston, that freshman reporter david Forbes “has worked hard to report as much of this story as he can get his hands on;”

    Ok maybe he has worked really hard, just not very well.

    I got the financial records that tim peck is yammering on about above pretty easily, just by walking down to the station and asking for them. The URTV board is required to make quarterly reports to the city and URTV is subject to regular audits. My understanding is that this happened earlier this year and is also a matter of public record.

    I also take issue with the idea that Forbes’ “efforts have been somewhat stymied from time to time when key figures in the ongoing debates have refused to answer his queries or even give their side of the story.”

    Forbes has stymied himself. It is sort of like journalism 101 that a reporter has not only to protect his sources, but he or she must to do right by those sources, this is called building a reputation of integrity and it is very important. If a reporter fails at this, he/she will quickly be marked for this failure and trust will be lost. As Forbes is learning, trust once lost is hard won again. That is how important real journalism is. As soon as you do somebody wrong in your article, you get stonewalled, and rightly so. No citizen owes “the fourth estate” any loyalty whatsoever. It is the job of the fourth estate to prove its loyalty to the citizens and never run with a story when you only have half of it. Here Forbes have failed miserably. My understanding is that Pat did cooperate with Forbes initially, but after his first piece appeared so lopsided, she and much of the board judged him incompetent. The smart thing for a managing editor to do when a rookie screws up is to take him off the story. This did not happen. Forbes has been allowed to fumble for like 20 straight issues.

    I met Forbes for the first time at the meeting to vote on Wednesday. Nice guy, in my opinion, but just not getting the story right. An employee told me that this was the first time Forbes has ste foot in the station and identified himself. (The kid has written like 20 some odd stories about the organization and never set foot in URTV??? Some please tell me my source is lying. Somebody please tell me he at least went to the station in person when he was writing his great big cover story, which also blew.)

    I have in one week been able to get the financial records, the copy of the libelous letter to the city manager, the abusive emails that were sent to other board members. Much of this is matter of public record and if you know who to ask, where to look, things will happen for you. But if you only know on one door, screw up, and then just say one side “refuses to comment,” well that is just poor journalism and poor journalism is DAMAGING journalism.

  51. I find it sad that both Bernier and Dial, after the damage is done, after their libelous letter to the city manager accusing Pat and the board of “Enron levels of corruption,” discrimination and general dishonesty, that both of them are now suddenly willing to sit down and work it out. ??? After all the abusive emails that were sent to select board members by one of these two (I would sure like to get some full transparency on the abuse hurled at the board by these two), after all the innuendo in the Express about URTV not promoting free speech and having a corrupt and weak board, they now want to sit down and work cordially with an ED and a board they clearly despise. Odd. I guess when the writing on the wall is 3 to 1, hard heads may be turned. Hopefully this will all be resolved in the next 2 weeks and what the board can begin to address the real challenges that URTV faces.

  52. Sundance

    Fremont V. Brown III, as to he transparency issue URTV is required to do so under its agreements…what is so hard to understand about that? Have you ever read your ByLaws, management agreements with the city and county as well as URTV’s articles of non profit incorporation? Perhaps it is time you did.

    As for the drama here, as I stated before I am done with it and I will be watching and lobbying until I see real changes and not the sweeping of dirt under the rug kind of changes that seem to happen when someone exercises their right to free speech at URTV. Where they get punished and censured if it does not fit into the paint by numbers world at URTV.

  53. Fremont

    Sundance-again you are wrong my website is not a clone of 1Vid.com nor does it have any link to pricing. But, so what if it did? URTV has no rules against members selling any on their products on their own website. Members can not sell items on their shows shown on URTV.

    As for your bio on MountainX it only states your location in Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, Mexico. The stats only tell someone how many times you made a post – big deal. I asked for your real name. So, far you have not given it. You state: absolutely no reason for me to give my information to someone who continues to ask but is unwilling to provide the same info…more lack of transparency on your part. How Lame! Again you are wrong as I have given my REAL name, website which shows my email and phone number. I ain’t hiding.

    Why, would anyone believe or read someones post who is not willing to back it up with their real name? Why, would anyone care to read a post made by someone in Mexico-who does not pay taxes in Buncombe or Asheville? The hundreds of URTV members and the citizens of Buncombe Co. and the City of Asheville are the ones who can and do pay attention to URTV.

    Sundance, I am done replying to or reading your posts.

    I am glad to see Richard is ready to move on too. Good for you Richard. As I am to.

  54. Sundance

    Once again this is another smoke screen by you and others to avoid the issues at URTV…your just so afraid to talk about them and once again you still did not answer the question as to weather you have even read your own freaking rules which says URTV is required to be transparent…why won’t you answer the question as to why your ED and cohort Ralph refuse to do it and stopped doing it when she came to power.

    This question has been asked to you and others over and over again and yet you still do not answer the question so again I will ask the question. We are not discussing my issues or any other mountainX posters on this thread we are discussing URTV’s issues and you folks still keep putting up stupid smoke screens.

    As for websites, you folks from URTV brought up websites first and now your getting mad because your sites have been questioned so it unfair…hello don’t you think your still being a little one sided?

    Your now another one of the URTV members that is causing additional embarrassment to your precious cause of covering up Pat Garlinghouse and Jerry Youngs mismangement and noncompliance of URTV.

    Do us all a favor for one split second. Stop looking threw the camera lens and put the camera for just one moment and have a look with your own eyes and use your own mind for once without Ralph, Jerry or Galinghouse telling you what to!

    Hate to tell you this Freemont your continual venturing off the subject as to who I am is only seen by the public as just another smoke screen by URTV not to address their issues and only causes URTV further embarrassment and come November I think the city and county governments will make it very clear to you handout seeking individuals by shutting down the checkbook unless you folks fess up and make the changes they you have to make and not this fake fix your treasurer is promoting.

    I love it when you folks can’t stay on the subject matter and have to throw up smoke screens to avoid the issues. It only makes you look more foolish!

  55. Sundance

    DJC did you ever think the reports are now available because of all the press and folks you got over the matter. Your treasurer just announced back at the meeting that they were now being transparent, well at least for the time being!

    So yes, you would be able to get the financial seeing how they have decided to comply, at least until all the heat dies down.

    Hmmmm…here we go again, more URTV smoke screns.

    Now your taking issue with the reporter for exercising his right to free speech something URTV claims to hold dearly so your management was being all hush, hush (your treasurer stated that URTV was not complying but that has now been fixed). The journalist did the best job he could with the facts he had. By the way he also quoted Richard as to what Richard said a quote is a quote and not necessarily a proven factual statement and if your stupid ED had bothered to make herself available well then the Express might just have quoted her to…wow..what a novel approach the ED actually presenting the facts as she she’s it.

    Do you think after Garlinghouse starts doing that she might bother to show up for board and membership meeting?

    Do you think you folks might finally air the meeting that Dale Joyner filmed and no one knows where the film went to? Isn’t she required to turn that film in?

    Oh and by the way while on this enlightenment tour maybe you could get Pat to put the meeting minutes back on the website like they use to be and after that we can all sing Kumbaya?

    Give it a break, and stop attacking the reporter because he reported what info he was able to get his hands on and URTV was to hush hush to get the information he asked for to him and present their side of the issue….you folks shot your own selves in the foot in regards to these articles and now you want to have another public temper tantrum about it.

  56. Fremont

    B_S_monitor, May 05, 2009, at 10:41 PM states: Fremont V Brown looks to be a “nom de plume” Ralph Roberts,

    Wrong, BS Monitor, check my website: http://virgilproductions.com and the video: Title: Opinions, Length 30 minutes, first aired on URTV Channel 20, Charter Cable, Asheville, NC in August. Awarded an URTIE June 2008, Category: Political Issues.

    Call URTV and ask them if, Ralph and Fremont are the same person. As I have said – I ain’t hiding. But, you seem to be. If, you are not hiding what’s your REAL name?

  57. Tired

    Once again David Conner Jones has summed everything up so eloquently it is embarrassing to read what these other hacks are writing!

    Sundance, you keep threatening to stop posting your diatribes, yet they keep going on and on.
    I was once irritated by your postings, but now I’m kind of glad to watch your babbling continue. You really are shining a spotlight on how ridiculous your little Drama Club has been.
    Remember, it’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak(or write) and remove all doubt!!
    Please, keep on talking! You’re very effectively proving our point.
    Tim, I betchya DCJ will send you a copy of those double super secret documents you think are stashed away deep in URTV’s bowels, but you will have to try this really cool new thing….
    ASK FOR THEM!!!! you’ll be amazed by the results.

    David Conner Jones, once again, thank you for your perspective and support of URTV. You Rock!

    David Forbes, DCJ has provided you with about 2 years of Journalism training in his posts, I highly recommend you take them very seriously. It will probably be the cheapest education you will ever get.

  58. “Tim, I betchya DCJ will send you a copy of those double super secret documents you think are stashed away deep in URTV’s bowels, but you will have to try this really cool new thing….ASK FOR THEM!!!! you’ll be amazed by the results.”

    Nice venture into civility.

    No, I haven’t asked for them. I won’t be asking for them. I don’t want to see them. I am not interested in their financial reports. I have asked the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners to conduct a formal financial audit for fiscal year 2007. We will have to see if they consider this more feasible than shutting down the entire operation this Fall (which is more likely). The ‘status quo’ is unacceptable and they know it. Do you? Do any of you blinkered chest-thumpers?

  59. “Anyway, she’s off the board and I hear you will be very soon.”

    Davyne Dial is and will continue to be a board member until such time a proper meeting is called and convened by the Board of Directors to take a vote on the matter in accordance with the organization’s bylaws. This has not occurred.

  60. Tired

    One other thing sundance,

    Dale VIDEO TAPED the meeting not FILMED it. Everyone affiliated with URTV VIDEOTAPES their projects not FILMS them !!!
    Let me know if you need some further explanation as to what the differences are, it’s really easy to understand.
    Of course if you were an active member of our fine organization you would already know the difference.
    Funny how often you have called others here “stupid and idiot”
    Thank you for substantiating my point about how ridiculous you make this little Drama Club look.

  61. Sundance

    oh “Tired” hear we once again go with you putting up smoke and mirrors rather then talk facts. Now your group now decided to attack the Mountain X rather then deal with the situation at hand just like you have done through out all of these threads.

    Its so sad that you are a coward and can’t actually discuss the facts of not obeying your own bylaws….Tired what are you and others really hiding over their that your so scared for all the facts to come out. How come you could not stick to the original voting format, how come you did not give proper notice when the method was changed, how come Ms. Joyner never ever presented any evidence to back up her charges, how come Ms. Dial was not allowed to she your alleged evidence and have a fair hearing where she could defend herself, how come you all get so mad at her for hiring a lawyer when URTV and Pat Garlinghouse went for a lawyer first.

    Please tell stop sending up smoke screens and tell us the truth for once “Tired”

    What do you have to fear and hide from?

  62. Sundance

    and where is that Tape “Tired”? Has it been majically lost like the board meeting minutes?

    and I am still waiting for you to answer all of the other questions I just asked you as well as the numerous other questions you were asked in the past and cowered away from answering.

    If your talking about stupidity then perhaps you should look in a mirror as you obviously do not have the intelligence or backbone to be truthful do you? You continually cower at the option of being truthful to the public. You would rather hide and put up a bunch of smoke screens.

    Don’t worry “Tired” I and the public will be waiting patiently for you to finally give us some truthful answers. Hurry up and run back to Pat and find out what to say next, ok?

  63. At the meeting called by Dale, Davyne was asked questions by her peers. Having known Davyne as long as I have known Pat, I see where the truth lies. Davyne’s answers were self serving and not in URTV’s best interest. Her husband’s violence towards her accuser was unjustified.

    Richard, a politician should stand on his words. If you complain about falling membership and are part of the problem by not renewing your membership then why do the members want you to represent them?

    We do not see the honest reporting of the TV shows or stories about the Producers at URTV. At the meeting the writers stood around, watched, listened, and wrote. Not once has Mountain Xpress ever asked my opinion or interview me. They know my positive experience with how the station is being managed. If I talk about my show I am attacked for the good that I do, criticized for my truth.

    On April 30th I went to Charlotte to film at their public access station TV 21. For a show called Pathways. http://www.tvaccess21.com They incorporated in May 2000. To compare what Pat has done for URTV in 3 years is enough to shut up the neigh Sayers.

    To me it seems as if the Mountain Xpress has become the National Enquirer of the Mountains. It is the trash that sells the papers. You finally get to the point that you find out the news is not true and you have better things to read and do.

  64. URTV_isn't_4_U

    URTV is a access station for the citizens of Buncombe….it is expected to behave democratically by and for those citizens. It’s Board of Directors and Executive Director are there to serve that entity and the membership for URTV’s longterm survival. Not adhering to NC OPL, and Open records laws, URTV bylaws and management agreements is a sure fire way to ending that valuable service. It is the job of the ED and staff to serve its members respectfully, honorably and obey the rules, like they expect the membership to obey the rules. Occasionally they need reminding that this is their job.

  65. Deja_vu_all over again

    “DCJ said : An employee told me that this was the first time Forbes has ste foot in the station and identified himself. ”
    ____________________________________________
    David Jones, fyi there was at least one other time Forbes showed up at URTV. When the “executive committee” was supposed to meet back in February for their secret meeting. Instead, they ran off to Jerry Young’s church to meet in secret, thus avoiding that scrutiny they so desperately need to avoid.
    So your testy little hatchet job is moot……efforts to contact URTV management and certain board members has gone unacknowledged or unanswered.

  66. Davyne_Dial

    David Conner Jones wrote:’Hi, everybody. I voted to remove Davynne from the board because I have anything personal against her but because it appears to me that she (and Richard Bernier, who I do know and like personally) have unfortunately used their “first amendment rights” to accuse Pat Garlinghouse and the Board of corruption, discrimination and host of other slanderous things publicly in the media and also to city and county officials in matters of public. First they went to the Express and did this, and then they went further in their letter to City Manager Gary Jackson. I do not see their words and actions in the press or to the city as being thoughtful or constructive for URTV, which they claim to support, nor do I see their slanderous innuendo as befitting of an upstanding board member.”
    ________________________________________
    David, I was asked by URTV’s city Liaison Bill Russell to write my concerns in a letter to our city manager. I did, but really it was not a concern to the city manager to deal with URTV, and Gary Jackson threw the ball into URTV’s board court. It’s unfortunate that the letter I wrote, which was meant for Gary Jackson’s eyes only got circulated, but I stand by what I said. I tske umbrage to you’re inuendo that I compared URTV to Enron (though there are similarities in oversight)….I did say that our society is in the shape it’s in, partly due to Boards not exercising their checks and balances role. And that often Boards are put in place by the very person they are supposed to be governing…and it becomes a cronyism situation. And that URTV is a small microcosim of the bigger picture of boards everywhere not doing their duty of oversight.

    It’s very unfortunate that Bill Russell has never had time to attend or acquaint himself to URTV, so he really isn’t engaged in what has or will happen to that public asset.
    So either he doesn’t really care or his is overwhelmed with his other duties…either way URTV is yet again like the unwanted stepchild. It appears to me that public access came to Buncombe begrudgingly and “watchdog” board members were appointed instead of people fully engaged in the well being and future of Public Access in Buncombe. Then as the Board changeover has finalized to the point is was last fall, URTV had a board of hand picked directors that do not question anything….this to me is a huge dis-service to our future. That is my opinion, and I am entitled to it….much blood has been shed for me to have that right.

    Richard and I were asked to comment on our reactions to the secret meeting held in February….where a Board Member called and alerted another Board Member that this select few of cherry picked directors, had met and voted to remove us. We voiced our opinion on this and some other matters, as is our right……others involved were asked to voice their opinion…they choose not to. Mountain Express obviously sees a story here of a valued community service being tossed from shore to shore, and apparently little caring by officials who begrudgingly set it up….as it appears to me and many others that it was set up to fail. Again that is my opinion.

  67. Committee for Ethical Journalism

    Attention, Jeff Fobes!

    It’s time to end this unseemly vendetta against URTV!

    Let us help you.

    1. Trade David Forbes to the National Enquirer for a janitorial person to be named later.

    2. Promote Jason Sandford to Multimedia Editor and give him free reign to report the _positive_ aspects of the many fine media outlets doing good work in this area such as URTV.

    3. Run daily through the streets of Asheville clad only in a loin cloth, flogging yourself with with an old piece of rope, yelling “I am so unworthy, I am so unworthy!”

    Okay, okay… we’ll accept two out of three.

    Let’s return fairness to MountainX and end this unjustified vendetta.

  68. Tired

    Oh sundance, it’s really fun to keep watching you attempt to overwhelm us with your faux intellect. Please, don’t stop! every time you post, you are proving my point. Thanks!
    You never said if you needed me to explain the difference between film and video tape. Let me know, hopefully in another one of your overly verbose diatribes.
    Now run back to Peter and find out what to say next. Never mind, I get a feeling you already know what Peter wants you to say!

    Tim:
    “Nice venture into civility.”

    Do you honestly think we are having a casual chat about how pathetic and corrupted the Libertarian Party is? We’re not.
    You and your sorry little non-member Drama Club have been attacking our station for over 2 months now with zero results, except for getting one of your conspiracy theory cohorts voted off the board and probably destroying any respectability any of you might of once had.
    Civility, Tim how civil is it to wage baseless attacks against something you don’t even participate in? This isn’t casual chit chat, we are sick and TIRED of you non-members attacking our station!

    Davyne, I honestly believe you would have gotten a lot more support if it weren’t for all of this crap that is posted here on a daily basis.
    I do hope you continue to participate in URTV.

  69. Sundance

    “At the meeting called by Dale, Davyne was asked questions by her peers.”

    Glolady they interviewed some folks but you said people asked Davyne questions but yet you never let Davyne see the evidence to back up Dale’s charges. Do you not think that is one sided and unfair? Even the uS court system does not operate that way. Face the facts Dale, Pat, you and others were merely on a witch hunt because you simply wanted a scape goat because the press uncovered issues of noncompliance at URTV

    “Davyne’s answers were self serving and not in URTV’s best interest.”

    Ummm…Duh Glolady she is trying to defend herself without being able to see this alleged evidence so they would be a little self serving as its called a “defense” remember? What did you smoke before you wrote this?

    “If I talk about my show I am attacked for the good that I do, criticized for my truth.”

    Well, if you don’t want to be attacked tell the truth by answering all the questions you have been asked over and over and over rather then continue to just give everyone a whitewash job and cover everything up. Do some objective investigating of your own rather then rely on words brother Christopher, Pat and others have told you.

    “To compare what Pat has done for URTV in 3 years is enough to shut up the neigh Sayers.”

    I don’t think anyone has criticized the production side of URTV what is in question is the board not complying with the Bylaws and their management agreements with the county and city which stopped being followed after Pat came to power.

    As URTV is Public access and PEG funding is public funding because it goes to municipalities before URTV receives it does the public not have a right to know what is going on? Don’t worry Don will tell you their is the same issue in regards to public officals…just answer the question objectively.

    Does the public not have to right to ask questions when Pat gives folks in Texas 24,000 when it is possible those funds might have been able to go back into the local economy?

    “You finally get to the point that you find out the news is not true”

    Fine and dandy, tell us the truth by answering every question that has been asked in every thread related to this URTV saga, that is all we want!

    While your at it please explain how Davyne can be voted off by the membership? The Bylaws state she must be removed by a vote of the board consisting of a two thirds majority, not a membership vote.

  70. Tired writes: “Do you honestly think we are having a casual chat about how pathetic and corrupted the Libertarian Party is?”

    What does a political party have to do with this matter? Do you think that I belong to the Libertarian Party? I don’t. And if I did, you would still not have a point.

    Tired writes: “You and your sorry little non-member Drama Club have been attacking our station for over 2 months now with zero results,”

    This is false. In the article directly above these comments it states that, “Treasurer Joe Scotto said that transparency concerns have been resolved and that URTV is following the state’s open-meetings law.” This is result; that is, a direct consequence of placing pressure on URTV to obey the law, which they were not previously inclined to do. Also, I and other URTV supporters have brought the matters of violations, mismanagement, secrecy, and malfeasance to the attention of both Buncombe County and the City of Asheville, the primary funders of URTV, who should be and are very concerned. Also, the duplicity of URTV management and even some members has been exposed. These are all results. The key result I and others are aiming for is the continued viability of the organization. You, among others, stand in the way of achieving this aim.

    Tired writes: “Civility, Tim how civil is it to wage baseless attacks against something you don’t even participate in?”

    My claims are not attacks, although I can understand how the guilty might feel defensive. My claims are not baseless, as has been shown. And they remain substantive regardless of my own particular membership status. I do not need to be a member to be a stakeholder.

  71. Sundance

    URTV is a access station for the citizens of Buncombe….it is expected to
    behave democratically by and for those citizens. It’s Board of Directors and
    “Executive Director are there to serve that entity and the membership for
    URTV’s longterm survival. Not adhering to NC OPL, and Open records laws,
    URTV bylaws and management agreements is a sure fire way to ending that
    valuable service. It is the job of the ED and staff to serve its members
    respectfully, honorably and obey the rules, like they expect the membership
    to obey the rules. Occasionally they need reminding that this is their job.”

    Good point and “Tired” I am still waiting on you to answer the questions that have been asked to you. The last time I asked was over 12 hours ago. Whats wrong “Tired” has Pat, Jerry and Ralph run out of falshoods to tell you convey as the answers to all the questions you have asked.

    You are simply still a “Mindless drone” as you have proved over and over that your afraid to answer simple questions, aren’t you.

    You can continue to attack me all you want but honestly not answering questions and avoiding the issues and answering the questions only serves to cause further trustworthiness in the public eye and further embarrassment to yourself Ralph…opps I mean “Tired”

  72. Sundance

    I men to say “to all the questions you have been asked”…go ahead “Tired” answer them! We are waiting on you to do just that. After all we have been waiting for a very long time and we can keep waiting, and waiting which only makes you look worse and worse…hahahaha!

    Whats wrong, is Pat out of the office today say you don’t know what to say next?

  73. Fremont

    If, you all quit replying to the ones who are to scared to use their real name, they will end up talking to themselves.

  74. Sundance, you squawk about people answering questions yet you refuse to reveal your true persona.

    I choose who I want to exchange energy with. Sundance, I choose to turn the other cheek.

    Mountain Xpress, until you start printing the inside truth from the active members and Producers at URTV, I will consider you nothing more than a Mountain Rag Mag.

  75. Keepin' it real

    “We’re moving forward, we’re trying to make this work,” “URTV producer David Connor Jones said. “But negative stuff — portraying URTV as a shambles and not working properly — how does that help the membership? She’s being removed from the board because a lot of people are dissatisfied.”________________________________

    If approximate 15% voted for removal that’s not a lot of dissatisfied members. It looks like a few folks had a witchhunt. And it appears from what has been written here, URTV management is bouncing off the walls in some sort of crazy kneejerk dance, to stamp out all the fires, they’ve started themselves.

    It’s going to be interesting to watch who the next targets for skapegoating are going to be….Garlinghouse cannot exist without some sort of drama and enemy to distract from her poor managerial skills. I’m just happy the shenanigans made the press and everyone with an ounce of common sense knows URTV is being run into the ground by mismanagment.

  76. Sundance

    “Mountain Xpress, until you start printing the inside truth from the active
    members and Producers at URTV, I will consider you nothing more than a
    Mountain Rag Mag.”

    LMAO…..That is very simple and easy to remedy Lisa, start answering their questions and the other ones that have also been asked….

    You know you might even be able to give them a phone call or send an email!

  77. B_S_Monitor

    Committee for Ethical Journalism: is chastising Jeff Fobes below,
    “Attention, Jeff Fobes!
    It’s time to end this unseemly vendetta against URTV!
    Let us help you.
    1. Trade David Forbes to the National Enquirer for a janitorial person to be named later.
    2. Promote Jason Sandford to Multimedia Editor and give him free reign to report the _positive_ aspects of the many fine media outlets doing good work in this area such as URTV.
    3. Run daily through the streets of Asheville clad only in a loin cloth, flogging yourself with with an old piece of rope, yelling “I am so unworthy, I am so unworthy!”
    Okay, okay… we’ll accept two out of three.
    Let’s return fairness to MountainX and end this unjustified vendetta. ”
    __________________________________________
    Unjustified vendetta……horsefeathers! URTV was givne every opportunity to respond as the story evolved, the fact is you have no defenses.
    Funny how you’re using the name “ethical” in you siggy….if URTV Board and management, had some of those “ethics” all these stories wouldn’t have been run. What you’re perceiving as a “vendetta” is in reality that you have no defense to what has been written…or else you would have stepped forward months ago when this all began to be revealed to the public. You must have the biggest blindspot in the world, not to see what spurious shams you’ve made of yourselves with your unethical non-compliance, your secret meetings, your non-compliance with open record laws, your shenanigans in removing one of the few Board Members committed to genuine oversight and responsible behavior towards URTV, by manipulating an uneducated Oprah Winfrey wannabe, the demonizing by Garlinghouse and her cronies whenever people will not follow her blindly……..you should be running through the streets in a loin cloth with shame painted on your chest.
    But you and your “committee” have no shame…that is the problem with people with personality disorders.

  78. why were the voting rules changed at the last menit ?? the purpose never was to have a fair vote.. the purpose was always for pat to get rid of davyne ,and she is not about to go back and change anything now..pat is out to get rid of davyne if it hair lips the state of texus.. she will change anything that she thinks will get rid of davyne, but absolutely nothing else… what a sham this thing has been…pat thinks she is the winner now,so she will be posting lots of stuff,(as some one else ,like tired,exct. )to talk about her victory,and how great she is…

  79. “If, you all quit replying to the ones who are to scared to use their real name, they will end up talking to themselves.”
    “Fremont”

    this sounds like some one is trying to hush up some of the posters…DCJ, i think you should run for a board position.. in a short time i think you would understand what is going on.. try it…

    and oh yes,- tired is just full of it…

  80. Sundance

    Ahhhh…thanks GloLady but I’m not irritated but I think you are since your taking issue with the mountain X. You have the power yourself to change that by answering the questions. As to your video, I don’t eat junk food or fast food since I moved down here (I now eat fruits veggies, smaller portions and real cooked foods) and have managed to lose 12 pounds.

    Set yourself free from the shackles of deception GloLady, by answering the questions and talking to the Mountain X.

    Now, here is a present no you:

    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall;
    Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the King’s horses
    And all the King’s men
    Couldn’t put Humpty together again!

    If you want you can be imaginative and insert URTV for Humpty Dumpty and Pat for King.

  81. Tired

    Freemont,
    Excellent point! I will follow your advice.

    Tim, The point is that I as well am not a MEMBER of the Libertarian party. That is why I don’t go on and on about how they should run their organization to meet my expectations. I’m sure Libertarians are a fine bunch of people, I don’t know any personally. but if I took the time to get to know them I’m sure we could agree to disagree on issues without threatening to file lawsuits and trying to close them down.
    You have been “outta here since Jen Left”, that has been a long time ago. Why don’t you go down to the studio and check the place out with an open mind. It’s working smoothly. Far better than the days of Kurt. If you give URTV a chance I bet you will be pleasantly surprised.

  82. “I’m sure we could agree to disagree on issues without threatening to file lawsuits and trying to close them down.”

    Remind me again who is trying to close them down?

    I can certainly tell you who WILL get them closed down. In fact, I already have.

  83. Sundance

    Tired we are still waiting for you to answer the questions asked rather then try to just give a white wash job on URTV that you are attempting to do in your message to Tim.

  84. Fremont

    Fremont stated: “If, you all quit replying to the ones who are to scared to use their real name, they will end up talking to themselves.”

    Dr. Blackwell states: this sounds like some one is trying to hush up some of the posters..

    Dr. Blackwell, I guess you missed my point: As I said before: Its easy to say things when no body out there knows who you are. I have no problem with posters – all they need to do is state their REAL name. I refuse to read or reply to post that are not using their real names.

  85. Fremont

    To Tim Peck.

    You state: I can certainly tell you who WILL get them closed down.

    As I have just lately started reading these posts, besides some of rules that bug you, I would like to know WHY you really want to shut down URTV?

    You state: In fact, I already have.

    I have a class tonite there, and nobody has told me its canceled.

  86. Sundance

    “I refuse to read or reply to post that are not using their real names.”

    Hmmmm Dr. Blackwell..all this from a hypocrite and more who called himself “Fed Up” until he was backed into a corner at which time he gave a web address to website claiming that was his true identity and to this day he still posts anonymously as he does not do it threw a MountainX account and still refuses to answer questions many have asked him and his anonymous cohort named “Tired”

    Hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite

  87. Fremont

    Posted with your name: “I’m sure we could agree to disagree on issues without threatening to file lawsuits and trying to close them down.”

    Remind me again who is trying to close them down?

    ____________________________________________________
    I may have misunderstood who stated: I can certainly tell you who WILL get them closed down. In fact, I already have.

    If, so – please, who made the statement?

  88. “Since you made the statement would you be so kind as to explain why you wish to shut it down?”

    What leads you to the conclusion that I want to shut it down?

  89. Fremont

    Tim,

    Ok, I “think” I am finally awake, – You have already stated who wants to close it down. Well, please, tell whom as I was asleep and missed it.

  90. David Connor Jones has a great program running this week. Robert Eidus talked about making money selling dirt.

    Why do we not watch URTV and see the great programing on it? Those who are complaining are Not the one’s that are producing content.

    Mountain Xpress I extend the invite for an interview. Get your list of questions ready.

  91. B_S_Monitor

    Committee for Ethical Journalism: is chastising Jeff Fobes below,
    “Attention, Jeff Fobes!
    It’s time to end this unseemly vendetta against URTV!
    Let us help you.
    1. Trade David Forbes to the National Enquirer for a janitorial person to be named later.
    2. Promote Jason Sandford to Multimedia Editor and give him free reign to report the _positive_ aspects of the many fine media outlets doing good work in this area such as URTV.
    3. Run daily through the streets of Asheville clad only in a loin cloth, flogging yourself with with an old piece of rope, yelling “I am so unworthy, I am so unworthy!”
    Okay, okay… we’ll accept two out of three.
    Let’s return fairness to MountainX and end this unjustified vendetta. “
    __________________________________________
    Unjustified vendetta……horsefeathers! URTV was given every opportunity to respond as the story evolved, the fact is you have no defenses. No one at URTV, or the Board responded with a valid reason for their gross neglect and incompetance.
    Funny how you’re using the name “ethical” in you siggy….if URTV Board and management, had some of those “ethics” all these stories wouldn’t have been run. What you’re perceiving as a “vendetta” is in reality that you have no defense to what has been written…or else you would have stepped forward months ago when this all began to be revealed to the public. You must have the biggest blindspot in the world, not to see what spurious shams you’ve made of yourselves with your unethical non-compliance, your secret meetings, your non-compliance with open record laws, your shenanigans in removing one of the few Board Members committed to genuine oversight and responsible behavior towards URTV, by manipulating an uneducated Oprah Winfrey wannabe, the demonizing by Garlinghouse and her cronies whenever people will not follow her blindly……..you should be running through the streets in a loin cloth with shame painted on your chest.
    But you and your “committee” have no shame…that is the problem with people with personality disorders.

  92. Sundance

    “Mountain Xpress I extend the invite for an interview. Get your list of questions ready.”

    But you still refuse to answer the questions that have been asked to you on these threads….hmmm….hypocrite and media hog come to mind very quickly. I hope you decide to answer any questions they might have for you honestly rather then present the standard URTV white wash job everybody over there has been instructed to give which has failed miserably…lol

  93. Astute Observer

    Observations:

    URTV works!

    Tim Peck does not work.

    Let’s suggest the county stop funding Tim Peck.

  94. Sundance

    With all due respect it does not work correctly when management fails to follow its own bylaws and the agreements it has made with the county and city.

  95. “URTV works!”

    You have an odd definition of “working.”

    The Executive Director, the board, and certain histrionic, hostile death-wish members are sending URTV into the trash heap of Buncombe County history come November.

    Nice “work.”

  96. Send Timmy Peck to Summer Camp

    Let’s all chip in and send Little Timmy to summer camp so he will have something to do besides worrying about URTV.

  97. Matt Howard

    I have been deliberately staying out of this for awhile, and I will again after this post. Any questions or challenges directed to me, sorry I have better things to do.

    But I checked out gloladys posted link to charlotte public access: http://www.tvaccess21.com/

    Wow, I generally dont cast stones, but charlottes public access sucks compared to URTV. Hands down.

    As I have said many times people arent seperating URTV as an institution from the personalities involved. Logisticly speaking URTV does in fact work. Over the past six months I have set foot in both URTV and WPVM at least once a week. I think Im the only person in asheville that can say that. WPVM has had a lot of people put a lot of love into the place, and it does a service to the community. But there are cracks at the seams, and worn out equipment just gets replaced with more used equipment.

    URTV is a platform for do it yourself television. And in that regard it is not only doing what it’s supposed to do, but exceeding expectations. You are free to dislike anyone in management you want, but it IS functioning. And I have the perspective to know what Im talking about.

    URTV has changed my life for the better. Literally turned things around for me. So I have a loyality to URTV as an institution, and that loyality trancends any kind of personal loyality. I have gotten grief to my face from people on both sides of this arguement because I havent sided with them. But the most important thing to me is that URTV continues to broadcast. Period.

  98. Matt: I’m glad you want URTV to “continue to broadcast. Period.” But if there is not a radical change of direction in management and staff over the next few months, URTV will most likely cease to broadcast. Period.

    Now that you are a member of the board you might be able to exert some influence in a positive direction. That is, if you can somehow avoid the vilification and harassment rained on all those others who tried to do that very thing.

  99. “Let’s all chip in and send Little Timmy to summer camp so he will have something to do besides worrying about URTV.”

    ‘Ad hominem’ personal attack. You lose.

  100. Piffy!

    ““Let’s all chip in and send Little Timmy to summer camp so he will have something to do besides worrying about URTV.” ”

    Hilariously spot-on characterization. FTW!

  101. URTV_isn't_4_U

    Some folks don’t seem to realize that this thread is on the internet for good. Mtn Exp. has an excellent archive system. Resorting to personal attacks when there is no valid argument or defense is exactly what those in an indefensible positions do.

    When URTV’s management FINALLY has to reveal financial practices, (which might very well take a court order to reveal) it’s gonna look bad. And those who have been led down the garden path will go down in flames along with those responsible for malfeasance.

  102. Sundance

    “Wow, I generally dont cast stones, but charlottes public access sucks compared to URTV. Hands down.”

    Matt, no one is doubting the producing side of URTV what is in question is management adhering to URTV bylaws and its agreements with the city and county. Management and the board are suppose to follow in order to continue to receive PEG funding.

    The agreements have been ignored and not honored by management until all of this was brought to light because URTV members sought to punish a board member who was doing her job correctly by questioning and acting in the interest of the public at large.

    While management now claims to be following their agreements I seriously think this is only a temporary measure of appeasement which is only for a limited amount of time.

  103. “Hilariously spot-on characterization. FTW!”

    Yu huh. I’ll pass this along to the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners as an example of the integrity and worthiness of URTV.

  104. Piffy!

    What makes you think I am aligned with URTV in any way? Because I, as an outside observer of this petty squabble, think you come across as quite silly?

  105. no,no,no,tim is not silly. i am the silly one..
    tim is the smart one.
    i am the silly one, and you are the s—–
    Three blind mice, three blind mice,
    happy mothersday…

  106. Sundance

    Here is a link to part 1 of the video that was shot at the Kangaroo court held by URTV to remove Davyne Diall from the URTV board. Pay careful attention in the video and see how Dale Joyner became angry that she was on camara and her assertion that the meeting was not an open meeting as required by NC Meeting laws. Once the meeting got underway the accuser herself, Dale Joyner, was remarkably absent so no one had the opportunity to question her about her trumped up and fictitious charges!

    Here is the link:

    http://exposureroom.com/members/dixiegirlz.aspx/assets/8d1db920dd7e4c6ca373d244a267d36e/

    Is this the way you want your money, Public PEG Funds, to be wasted? Do you think people like Dale Joyner, Ralph Roberts and others at URTV should be able to run around unchecked and out of control?

  107. good work people,how see what you get.. you loose your votes on the board..when will you wake up ,and see what is going on ???

    changing the status of the producer Board members to ex-Officio or non-voting members

    On Thu, 5/14/09, Pat Garlinghouse wrote:

    From: Pat Garlinghouse From: H Goosmann
    To: Jerry Young
    Cc: Pat Garlinghouse ; Bennie Lake
    Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:48 PM
    Subject: Nominating Committee By-Laws review

    Jerry-

    Per your request the nominating committee has reviewed the URTV By-laws and made a revision to update them based upon the need as stated by our legal counsel. Please find a draft version of this revision attached to this email.

    Please distribute the updated by-laws to the entire Board such that we can vote on the changes at next weeks Board meeting. I ask that each Board member review them beforehand and email me questions such that we can address any question/concern by the meeting. I am asking that we front load this such that research can be done if needed.

    Last, I ask that each Board member take their time and review this revision carefully. There are some substantial updates suggested. Primarily in the membership category, the number of Board members, by changing the status of the producer Board members to ex-Officio or non-voting members, and by reorganizing the committees. Every effort was made to retain the essence and integrity of the original bylaws. There are good reasons for each of the changes and other suggested updates, and I look forward to a discussion by the full Board.

    thanks,
    Hunter

  108. Sundance

    Hmmmmm…interesting Dr. Blackwell….and GloLady aka LiarLady now you have zero voice at URTV if this plan goes threw. Are you happy now! You voted out one of the few board members who would have stood up for you, the membership, and voted against this measure. I hope your happy with yourself because you just shot yourself in the foot because you will basically have no voice or free speech whatsoever once this happens!

  109. I ready don’t see what the users/members need to worry about the management or the Board as long as they get what they signed up for – use of equipment, use of studios, take classes, and show their videos on URTV. I ready don’t think 99.9% of the people who signed up as members were planning on running the station. Besides, that’s the Management and Board duty is. Why can the .01% see that the Board oversees the Management and the Management runs the station. NOT the members.

  110. Corrections follow.

    I really don’t see why the users/members need to worry about the management or the Board as long as they get what they signed up for – use of equipment, use of studios, take classes, and show their videos on URTV. I ready don’t think 99.9% of the people who signed up as members were planning on running the station. Besides, that’s the Management and the Boards duty is. Why can’t the .01% see that the Board oversees the Management and the Management runs the station. NOT the members.

  111. URTV_isn't_4_U

    Garlinghouse began dismantling URTV the minute she walked in the door. She has systematically undermined the essence of Public Access, in this revision to the bylaws.

    No one that isn’t in a delusional fog believes this was done by anyone but Garlinghouse and her lawyer to make URTV her little profit making play toy. One with no scrutiny, because the board will be hand selected by her. If she gets questioned they will be run off. She’s on record as saying she’ll never answer to a Board.

    I’ll give her this, she is a master at vague wording that could be construed to mean anything. You gotta ask, why such drastic ahanges, and why the push to rush this through??????????

    Get out the vaseline folks.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/15553923/May2009-URTV-Bylaws

    If you read through these proposed bylaws the one person this benefits is her. Not the members (their representtive board members are eliminated) not the people of Buncombe, not free speech. My guess is anyone wanting to do a show is gonna have to pay for putting it on…that little reality and and a commercial channel is the rumor floating.

    I keep reading about “public access” being in the works for Wally Bowan and Main2….think they may be in cahoots and using their non-profit public service entities as bait to get a hold of big money from the “stimulous” plan, by using non profits like URTV & WPVM? Obviously once they get the money there will be no oversight as to how they use it, neither will allow this. And from the recent dialogs on URTV & WPVM, it appears these are two peas in a pod.

    All you Pat Garlinghouse, supporters, you’ve been had. Soon, Glolady, Joyner and others who she’s snowed are gonna have to pay to play.

  112. Sundance

    “Corrections follow.

    I really don’t see why the users/members need to worry about the management or the Board as long as they get what they signed up for – use of equipment, use of studios, take classes, and show their videos on URTV. I ready don’t think 99.9% of the people who signed up as members were planning on running the station. Besides, that’s the Management and the Boards duty is. Why can’t the .01% see that the Board oversees the Management and the Management runs the station. NOT the members.”

    But Freemont…what you are advocating is not what the City, County, the public and the founders of URTV envisioned when URTV was founded. This is just more delusional brainwashed thinking on your part. You honestly want to have four board members elected by the users of URTV who have zero voting rights…don’t you think that is pretty stupid on your part and eliminates the checks and balances that were originally put in place to protect you?

    I agree with URTV_isn’t_4_U

    Get your vaseline ready and prepare to bend over but don’t expect to get a kiss when it happens …lol

  113. I had decided not to answer you, since you HIDE behind the name of Sundance. But, your the one that misses the point the members are users and not management and do not need to be. As I stated before they are getting what their fee is for-use of equipment, use of studios, take classes, and show their videos on URTV. The fee paying users do not seem to be the problem. It seems to be non-paying non-members that keep trying to muck things up. I suggest all paying fee users just ignore you non-paying non-members as a waste of time.

    Once again for any that missed my earlier statement:
    I really don’t see why the users/members need to worry about the management or the Board as long as they get what they signed up for – use of equipment, use of studios, take classes, and show their videos on URTV. I ready don’t think 99.9% of the people who signed up as members were planning on running the station. Besides, that’s the Management and the Boards duty. Why can’t the .01% see that the Board oversees the Management and the Management runs the station. NOT the members. Users/members do have free speech its called their programs/videos. And its the City and Counties job to oversee the URTV Board.

  114. URTV_isn't_4_U

    ” I suggest all paying fee users just ignore you non-paying non-members as a waste of time.”
    _______________________________________________________________

    Blatant disregard for the management agreements and blatant violations of open meeting& open records laws, are hard to ignore. And if URTV’s management would openly be in such violations, what the hell is going on under the table????????

    The obvious violations are just the tip of the iceberg.

  115. Sundance

    “your the one that misses the point the members are users and not management and do not need to be. As I stated before they are getting what their fee is for-use of equipment, use of studios, take classes, and show their videos on URTV. The fee paying users do not seem to be the problem.’

    No Freemont once again it is you who are missing the point, and you still have not read the orginal founding ByLaws have you or otherwise you would see the error of your way…as I stated before your a Ralph Roberts clone because you just lean on Ralph and except what he tells you as gospel. The original Bylaws give four voting positions to the membership, and it is currently a membership fee not a user fee…please read the current bylaws for once in your lifetime, ok. Let me know if you need the link. Those voting board positions for the membership were set up that way by founders, county and city so URTV would be truly public and URTV’s membership would help shape the direction of URTV. The new proposal basically turns members into users and those Sir were not the founding principles. You obviously know zero about the founding of URTV do you. You are in essence just another mindless drone who does not know squat about personal freedoms.

    If you favor the new proposal that is just fine but URTV and you need to pay back every single penny of PEG funding you took from the county and city as it is the public’s money. After you do that you can have your new little rules but no more handouts like you currently receive. You can have fundraisers such as bake sales to raise money for your toys instead of fleecing the citizens of Asheville and Buncombe county out of money as Pat, Ralph, Jerry, Glolady, Dale, you and others currently do.

  116. The June 2005 Bylaws state the following as to membership:
    Article 2. MEMBERSHIP
    2
    1. Eligibility. Membership in the Corporation is open to all persons, organizations, institutions, corporations, and other entities working or residing (1) in Asheville, (2) in Buncombe County, or (3) in those areas so designated by the Board of Directors. Members shall be in harmony with the Corporation’s purposes, abide by its Bylaws, and contribute to the Corporation in the form of membership dues or other donations as approved by the Board of Directors and amended by the Board from time-to-time. 2. Voting Members. Voting membership is open to (a) any dues paying individual member and (b) one designated representative of a dues paying organizational member. Voting members in good standing as of 60 days prior to the date of the membership meeting shall be entitled to vote. 3. Categories of Membership. The Board of Directors may from time-to-time create and dissolve categories of membership, and determine the fees, obligations, rights and benefits that apply to each category of membership. 4. Voting Rights. At every regular or special meeting of the membership, each voting member shall be entitled to one (1) vote on each matter submitted to a vote of the membership. 5. Proxies. No proxy votes will be allowed on any matter submitted to a vote of the membership. Article 3. MEETINGS OF THE MEMBERSHIP l. Annual Meeting. An annual meeting of members shall be held on or before the last Saturday in June. The annual meeting shall be open to the general public. 2. Special Meetings. A special meeting of members may be called at any time by a majority vote of Directors at a duly convened Board meeting or by a written request submitted to the Clerk of the Corporation by a minimum of 15 members or ten percent (rounded up) of the voting members of the Corporation as of the date of the request whichever is greater. Said request shall state the purpose or purposes for which the meeting is to be held, and only business germane to those purposes shall be transacted. Special meetings shall be convened not less than 30 days and not more than 60 days following the call for such meeting.

    You will notice that ONLY the Annual Meeting of the Membership is open to the public. Nowhere under Special meetings do they state that they are open to the public. The June 2005 Bylaws do state that the regular Board of Directors meeting are opened to the general public. It does not state that Special Meetings of the Board of Directors are open to the general public.

    I feel the purposed May 2009 Bylaws would serve the Station and Users (membership at this time) much better. A corporation does not need a bunch of “Managers”. This seems to be the problem now – not really with the members, but with non-members. The only thing I can see the MEMBERS lose is a vote. And I feel as stated in other postings that 99.9% feel they do not need a vote and that they are rec’g the services their dues pays for. The Management attends the Membership meetings and members do and can voice the concerns or thoughts during the meeting or individually to the management during office hours.

    URTV is a non-profit organization incorporated in the State of NC. It is not as far as I can tell from reading the Bylaws of June 2005 a state agency. The connection to any government body is its accepting PEG funds thru City of Asheville and Co. of Buncombe. There are 2 directors on the Board from the City and 2 from the County. There are 11 directors. Meaning the City and the County does not have control. The proposed Bylaws of May 2009 clearly state this “independent of the City and County.” And I can find no were in the JUNE 2005 Bylaws that state it is an agency, etc. of the State, county or city.

    After reading the OPEN MEETING LAWS of NC, I do not think that URTV is bound by them. You can read them at: http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_143/Article_33C.html, it states with in them :”public body” means any elected or appointed authority, board, commission, committee, council, or other body of the State, or of one or more counties, cities, school administrative units,”. As I and most likely you readers can see URTV does not fit in the above categories. It is not an elected or appointed board of the state, county or city.

    PEG funds: See the following link http://saveaccess.org/node/1543 for info on how PEG Funds work. You will notice that the PEG monies are part of a agreement between the County and Charter to help only the PEG station operate and nothing else.

  117. I far as I can see PEG Funds are used just for what they are suppose to be used for-the PEG channels. The public gets use of these funds as intented by watching the PEG channels. And as far as I can see no funds are due back to Charter. They uphold their part of their agreement with Asheville and Buncombe. The PEG channels uphold their with there programs.

  118. sundance,you have hit the nail on the head..when urtv started it had no member-board members,because it had no members..later they began to put members on the board,so the members(who know what it is like to be a member)could help the board out ,with there input…now days when a member makes a suggestion,they are just ignored..
    case in point,at a board meeting ,months ago,a member asked if they could get caller id on the phone in studio-a,so they could block obscene calls before they got on the air… this is a very little thing,but it would be a big help to members,trying to do call in shows… i ran into the member who asked for this,the other day,and he told me that the ed said it was just not financially feasible to do this…
    multiply this by every little thing that could work for members,and you start to see the picture of how things are being run…

  119. “After reading the OPEN MEETING LAWS of NC, I do not think that URTV is bound by them.”

    If only the City of Asheville and Buncombe County agreed with you.

    They both amended their management agreements to explicitly mandate that URTV comply with open meetings laws.

    Onward.

  120. Sundance

    “I far as I can see PEG Funds are used just for what they are suppose to be used for-the PEG channels. The public gets use of these funds as intented by watching the PEG channels. And as far as I can see no funds are due back to Charter. They uphold their part of their agreement with Asheville and Buncombe. The PEG channels uphold their with there programs.”

    WRONG AGAIN Freemont…you really need to do a little studying before you enter this part of the debate so I’ll cut you a little slack….did Ralph Roberts give you your lame answer again? Sounds like something Garlinghouse, Jerry or he would say. So here is a little education for you.

    PEG funds are franchise fees paid to the county and city by Charter for exclusivity rights. Being that they are paid to municipal governments, which are elected by the public. Those funds have gone into municipal treasuries so they are indeed public funds and not your personal slush fund. Since URTV received funding from those municipalities and has board members appointed by the county and city, URTV is a semi government or municipal entity which means the public has the right to know everything including all the nonsense that your little buddy Ralph and Pat want to hide.

    Now being that you do not want public or membership involvement and oversight on how URTV operates is not a problem. You can be your own little private play school all you want just as soon as you and URTV pay back every single penny of money you took from the city and county. I’ll even spring for buying you your first can of Play Dough and a slinky, ok?

    If your not going to let the membership have a say in shaping URTV then you should refund all membership fees since you want to cancel their membership and just go to a user based system. If you don’t refund their fees there might also be a legality issue when you change the bylaws to “user” as technically at that point URTV is terminating a membership before the term of membership has been fulfilled.

    Do you have your checkbook ready?

    I’m sure the city and county will be more then happy to take your check.

  121. Sundance

    “After reading the OPEN MEETING LAWS of NC, I do not think that URTV is bound by them”

    Wrong again….read the management agreements URTV has with the city and county governments. You know, the agreement URTV had to accept before you got all those PEG funds….opps, that makes your argument that PEG funds aren’t public funds kind of evaporate, doesn’t it?

    Freement, before you go any further how about reading everything first. Current ByLaws, Articles of Non Profit Incorporation and the Management Agreements with the City and County Governments.

    Please read it for yourself and don’t rely on Ralph or Pat to do it for you.

  122. URTV MEMBER

    Freemont, follow your own advise!!!

    Peter Brezney AKA… = NON-MEMBER

    Tim Peck = NON-MEMBER

    John Blackwell = NON-MEMBER

    Freemont, why are you addressing these on-lookers? No members are complaining here! the more you post rebuttals to these gadflies, and wannabe managers, the longer this irrelevant thread continues. Nothing will be accomplished.

  123. URTV_isn't_4_U

    That new bylaws looks like a coup to me.

    All power in the hands of Garlinghouse and her select few corrupt Board Members. Any new Board Member will have to jump through Pat’s hoops before they become part of the “inner circle.”

    Sure is a lot of vague wording…execpt for one thing….members will have no have rights.

  124. URTV MEMBER

    Fremont, This will do it for me as well.
    I do want to leave you all with this definition:

    Gadfly,

    1. A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance.
    2. One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.

    I think that sums this little group up quite well!

  125. URTV_isn't_4_U

    URTV Member: aka Ralph Roberts
    “Gadfly,
    1. A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance.
    2. One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.
    I think that sums this little group up quite well! ”
    _________________________
    Oh I certainly hope so…..but youdid leave out the most important part, as usual…”The term “gadfly was used by Plato in the Apology to describe Socrates’ relationship of uncomfortable goad to the Athenian political scene, which he compared to a slow and dimwitted horse.”
    slow & dimwitted…gotta love that description…I think sums up the Garlinghouse toadies quite well.
    .
    Pat Garlinghouse has got to be the most gifted person I’ve ever seen at creating mortal enemies, that would love to expose her black heart at every opportunity. How paranoid must she be at this point? Instead of the dimwitted hillbillies she thought she could pull the wool over…she’s encountered unparallelled opposition, hopefully the likes of which she’ll never forget. My guess is she rues the day she ever stepped foot into WNC. She can’t leave fast enough for many people, who hate what she has done. Her lightening rod persona won’t soon be forgotten once she’s gone from thses parts.

  126. Sundance

    No problem “URTV Member” I will leave you alone just as soon as you repay every penny of PEG money that you and URTV took from the City, County and public. After you repay every cent you can have your very own little private “Play School” and I will buy you a tube of Play Dough and a Slinky just like I offered Freemont.

    LiarLady..as far as the Mountain X is concerned, they have their story straight. They gave URTV management ample opportunities in which they refused to give their side of the story. URTV had its chance and blew it. Did you ever email the reporter like I suggested?

  127. it looks like pat garlinghouse thinks she has won,and has now put the hush on everyone,so the new bylaws will not come to light until they get passed..well,so far we have all been trying not to be so hard on an old lady,who is just trying to prove that she has some kind of power,but now the gloves are off..you ain’t seen nothin yet..
    are you ready ?
    best not post,you forgot to say may i….
    ha ha ha ha ha ha

    i would like to thank the xpress for all the good work they have done,in trying to get this story out….

  128. Johnny_Lee_House_Jr

    I would like to thank the xpress for all the good work they have done,in trying to get this story out….

    I’m down with that Dr. Blackwell….you go Xpress!

  129. ok.. i will go back and try to get things back on the good foot…forget the slights of the past and move on..
    i agreed that this has all gotten out of hand and there needs to be a clean slate… let it start with me… i have re-upped my membership,and hope to start producing very soon..
    now, lets all get back on the good foot..
    if we will all work together ,i know we can do it… come on now,lets all give it a try.. good foot,good foot,get down,get back on the good foot..

  130. some people have asked me to post all of the letter ,i got back from pat..

    Tues. June 9, 2009

    Dear Mr Blackwell,

    Please be advised that your recent request to be a participating member of URTV and use of the facility is denied due to: failure to accept responsibility for following the Rules and Procedures of URTV and repeated abuse of URTV equipment and staff. You may, if you choose, use your membership to submit DVDs made elsewhere. If you choose not to submit programming, we will gladly refund your membership fee.

    Please refer to the Rules and Operating Procedures document.

    III. Rules, Violations and Loss of Privileges
    A. Definitions and Limitations
    3. Any producer who engages in activities in the URTV facility that are harassing, threatening, purposefully detrimental or damaging to another producer, URTV staff member, or URTV resources will be asked to leave the building.

    C. Violations of the Rules and Procedures
    1. The following are considered major violations;
    a. Abuse, vandalism or failure to safeguard equipment and facilities, and, any, and all abusive treatment to URTV staff as stated in Section III.A.3. of URTV’s
    Rules and Operating Procedures document.

    Your commercial programming violation included words to the following: “we know that we shouldn’t say this but we will anyway.” You still do not accept your responsibility for the cancellation of your show and you have not made an appointment to speak with me.

    Please check the Rules and Procedures to avail yourself of the appeal and grievance procedure. See Section III.D.

    Very truly yours,

    Pat Garlinghouse
    Executive Director
    cc: URTV Operations Committee Chair

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