Asheville City Council: Hat in Hand

  • Montford Commons developer asks city for $9 million loan
  • Reid Center progesses
  • URTV gets 90-day extension while Council explores problems

When it was approved in 2007, the Montford Commons development plan earned praise for putting mixed-use development in an area of urban blight and for realizing elements of the city's Greenway Master Plan relating to that part of town. But Vincent James from Frontier Syndicate LLC told Council at its Oct. 13 meeting that project funds are coming up short due to limits on the types of infrastructure that can be paid for with Housing and Urban Development grants. The project needs financing from the city to the tune of $9 million to proceed, he told Council.

"The project will not succeed without the help of the city and the county," James said. That $9 million figure isn't written in stone, he noted, explaining that the city can help determine the project's infrastructure needs and suggest cuts.

The development is planned for the area behind the Asheville Chamber of Commerce and Isaac Dickson school and north as far as Houston Street.

Asheville's Chief Financial Officer Ben Durant did not recommend that the city agree to what amounts to a public/private partnership, but he did ask Council to decide if staff should explore the matter.

"We think this is a good project and warrants additional analysis," Durant said. A study, funded by the developer but conducted by the city, would provide firmer numbers. But he added, "If you give us the nod tonight, it will not commit you."

Council voted 6-0 to conduct the study. (Council member Robin Cape was absent, attending a conference on climate change.)

Reid-ing between the lines

So far this year, the Reid Center has come to Council four times.  In January Council approved ambitious rebuild plans for the community center officially known as the W.C. Reid Center for Creative Arts. Those plans were scaled back in August when the city lost a state grant for the project. That, in turn, reignited a debate about whether to renovate or replace the existing structure, which was resolved in September when Council voted to rebuild.

The current plan calls for a three-phase construction plan for a new facility that will contain a theater — a crucial part of the new vision for the center that played a key role in fundraising — as well as a gymnasium and classrooms. But the discussion on Oct. 13, which preceded a vote to fund phase one, exposed lingering doubts and concerns weighing on Council members.

The first phase will cost approximately $2 million, Durant said, and includes construction of the theater. The city currently has $150,000 left over from $600,00 budgeted for planning on the project. Combining that money with $732,000 in pledges from private donors still leaves the project only about half way there. Durant said the gap can be filled by taking on a $1.1 million loan. The city's burden, he said, would amount to $10,000 in debt service annually.

The problem, said Mayor Terry Bellamy, was that Council's approval of phase one of the project did not seal the deal for the entire three-phase build-out. That, she said, will leave it vulnerable to the whims of future councils and unforeseeable changes in funding.

Although the project was scaled back in August when the city backed out of a grant process, some Council members worried that the cost of the all three phases seemed headed back to the original estimate of $8 million.

"We started with $8 million and it looks like we have crept right back up to it," said Council member Bill Russell.

Jane Matthews, whose architecture firm Matthews Architecture is leading the design process, denied that figure was on the table, noting she was only seeking approval for the $2 million needed for phase one. The cost of the entire build out, she said, has not been finalized.

But with phases one and two tagged at $5.3 million and with a pool included in phase three, Mumpower argued that $8 million seems a reasonable estimate. Moving forward without that money accounted for, he said, is a risky prospect.

"We're going down a very expensive dead end," he said. "I think we are making a mistake to walk away from the existing facility."

Bellamy, who in past discussions strongly urged renovating the existing facility, now said Council was past that point. She suggested looking into what price the city could get for the existing building to offset new construction costs. City Parks, Recreation and Cultural Arts Director Roderick Simmons said he was planning to gather community input regarding the fate of the building, but Bellamy said that selling it could help secure future phases. (The new facility will be located on another part of the property from the existing building so that the old gymnasium can remain open during construction.)

The Mayor also asked that an amendment be made to the motion directing city staff to present quarterly updates on funding opportunities for phases two and three.

Vice Mayor Jan Davis urged pushing forward, saying, "We owe a debt to this community." Asheville resident Sophie Dixon supported that sentiment.

"We've got to do something," Dixon said. "We talk these things to death. Someone has to stand up for these children. We've got to take hold of this and complete it."

The motion to approve the master plan and take on the $1.1 million in financing passed 4-2 with Russell and Mumpower voting no.

Treading lightly on URTV

The public-access channel URTV operates with very little governmental oversight but relies on contracts with Asheville and Buncombe County to receive funds from Charter cable bills in the county.

The city contract is up in November, but recent friction within the organization has caused Council and the Boards and Commissions Committee to approach a new contract warily.

Presenting a plan that came out of a Boards and Commissions Committee meeting earlier that day, City Attorney Bob Oast suggested that Council extend the current contract for 90 days while the committee examines URTV's operations.

"We know there are some issues that need to be addressed," Oast said. Those include open-meeting and notification polices, as well as procedures for dismissing members from the the station's board.

"We've received a lot of comment from URTV that it has become factionalized. And there are definitely some transparency issues," Davis said. "They are having a big problem managing themselves."

Davis added that a recent letter from the station's attorney in response to an earlier query by Council was "not really a response."

By design, city government has no oversight of the channel, but it does appoint two members to the URTV board and signs the contract that appropriates the station's funding, which comes from local cable bills. Since July, when the URTV squabble first landed in front of Council as that body sought to appoint a new URTV board member (a task that might finally be accomplished on Oct. 27), some Council members have noted that the only leverage the city has over the station is to decline to renew its contract. URTV gets about $45,000 a year though the agreement.

The city's contract with Charter expires next year, which is another reason to give the contract a good look, Davis told Xpress.

The 90-day extension means that URTV will get operating funds to continue for the upcoming quarter. "I think we really want URTV to be a success," Davis said at the meeting. "This is our sincere way of saying we are behind URTV."


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54 thoughts on “Asheville City Council: Hat in Hand

  1. jeff turner

    the membership and use represents the community ,it is diverse and used by every type of citizen our great area has to offer,,as far as the operations and assistance one gets from the staff and facilities,,it is second to none…i have had no problems what-so-ever…
    this is an un-solicited letter of praise,,
    in my life ive seen and heard every type of trash talking ,accusations,mostly unfounded,and unsubstanciated…if there are board issues,i wouldnt know,however with such a large and diverse board, it seems to me that reason,thought and sanity,honesty and fairplay and of course protocol,are all employed by this same honorable group of individuals that make up that board,,this is the opinion of jeff turner,one member of the URTV community of producers.

  2. well maybe i don’t think so..
    why could that be?
    in my life i have never seen a mess like the one at urtv..
    this is an un-solicited letter.
    come on.
    give me a break.
    what a bunch of bs.
    omg. some one told me that the membership has dropped from 600 and sum,to about 100 and sum…
    what is up with that..
    i think i know..
    when things are f#(k@d up,people just go away..
    i am john blackwell,and i have eyes,everywhere,and you know it…

  3. Interesting how many who were responding to URTV news have scurried away under the rocks like roaches, now that Mtn. Exp. is requiring real identities. No more smoke screening and wild accusations from the anonymous ones. Wonder why?????

    So now were down to the issues, does URTV follow the law as it pertains to non discrimination, transparency, open meeting laws, proper Board of Directors procedures, with the public’s money it is funded by or not? Will the City Council let them slide and continue to openly thumb their noses at the management agreement, and the laws governing non profits that are funded by the public? We’ll see.

  4. yes davyne,you are right..almost all of the people who were supporting pat garlinghouse,and her board of yes men,have gone away..
    i think that is because they were all pat garlinghouse,(and some of the yes men),all writing under lots of made up names…
    now that they must give there real name,they look like one person,instead of looking like 5,or 10 people…
    i think that now one can see who the real vocal minority are…
    how many people,and who do you think pat was??
    come on now.. anyone??

  5. R.Bernier opinions

    I support a change in the current power structure based on issues,problems & violations of this group at URTV.

    Our tax money is not working here & will need to be reformed from the front door to the back door of what is called URTV in the days ahead.


    Jeff, not to say there is no issues is a lazy way out. I stand firm with principles & facts which todate has been very clear.

  6. jeff turner

    richard bernier,,, with all due respect to you…i would rather hear from the four representatives from the city and county that are on the board ,,i feel they can clear up any of the allegations you and others so blantantly throw seems to me that as a former law enforcement officer,you would know better than to do that….

    john blackwell,,,i came into your show one day and you were uploading the station broadcast out to you-tube …without station consent i might add..that is probably a violation of some station policy,whereas they do get first air rights for items produced through the station,it maybe even a violation of copyright law..or some other fcc violation…
    you said you left urtv because someone hired you to run sound for them,,,quit ragging the station ,most of the troubles i see are rantings and ravings from dis-enfranchised persons who were trying to take the station down the wrong roads…all it appears to me that you are doing is making yourselves look foolish and un-substanciated …

  7. James Wilson

    Jeff people have gone round and round with you time and time again showing you the evidence. The only problem is your refusal to look at the facts objectively and make an informed decision. I say shut it down, and start fresh without any of the current management team and give the oversight to AB Tech or UNCA.

    If that is a no go then shut it down and use what money it got and ad it to this other project the city wants to do. By the way Jeff, if you produce at URTV why don’t you pay for the entire costs of your hobby rather then rely on me pay for it. You never answered that question from way back? If you want the public to fund your little adventure or follies of your friends then the station must be held accountable, be transparent, welcome all view points, not censure individuals and answer to the public. Without those conditions in place and enforced their should not be one penny given to that organization, Jeff.

    I think you are the one that needs to finally come into the light and face reality. As for John using U-Tube…others do it also so I guess you need to kick out the sock puppets like GloLady since you want to belly ache about it. Oh and Jeff how about the copyright infringements and violations of the digital Millennium copyright act URTV is participating in by offering duplication services for monetary benefit and profit?

    Wait a minute…profit for a non profit organization…hmmm!

    Have a nice day!

    James Wilson
    229 Airport Rd, STE 7-104
    Arden, NC 28704

  8. jeff turner

    james,you seem to be an intelligent person,,and the question of me paying the whole amount is a question you should be asking your elected representatives that govern the amount ,im just joined as everyone else did,i thought the increase in membership was the correct call,i still far as my lil production goes,,i of late do my own theatrical trailers at home on my computer,the same with my credits and show intros..i buy my own dvds,i pay my own transportation fees to the station,i reserve my time like every other producer, the cost are determined by others,people that you and i vote into office,its very clear that probably no one member could pay the fees on their you subscribe to charter cable james,,if not…you dont pay,and would therefore be speaking out of turn..i subscribe to america james the constitution,amendments are made from time to time,if the citizens dont like something in the administration of country there is a way provided to make change ,,i say go for it james..i am not a member of the urtv board,i have no problems with the administration of the station,, if by chance there is a problem,im certain the large bodied board will handle it..
    you each have free speech just as i do,,however my free speech is in support of the management, no one has gone around with me because so far all ive seen is rhetoric and conjecture,and disgruntled individuals,with no credibility to substanciate the near slanderous comments they continually speak of,,specifics change my mind,if i am speaking out of order,and i get suspended for speaking out my rear,,,,then i ask for it and would so suffer the penalty thereof,i will not whine..folks that dont support free speech as so prescribed by our laws,,may be communist,and deserve no attention from jeff turner this is my opinion only

  9. jeff turner writes: “so far all ive seen is rhetoric and conjecture,and disgruntled individuals,with no credibility”

    Jeff, jeff, you’re not keeping up.

    Mountains of evidence has been provided, much of it on video and in writing. One only has to review it with diligence and care to substantiate the claims for oneself. As many of us have done.

    I’m sorry you haven’t been paying attention to a highly documented story. But that does not seem to have curtailed your enthusiasm for contradiction.

  10. jeff turner

    i do believe its just as i said…i want to hear it from the board,with all due respect ,im not in the mess, i was being supportive of the truths i know….in any event to place control of a free speech facility in the hands of a school supported by government funds,would be controlled free speech,,which wouldnt be free speech…if i see smoke ill look for fire.. till then,ill polish the truck,and continue with my show…its probably a lost argument on both sides anyway due to the fact that charter communications is a dying company….ten shares of there common stock want buy a roll of toilet paper,tim i was told you are a veteran as i am,,if there is anyone i do tend to believe its another veteran,,however i want to hear from the whole board as a single unit with answers,or as i said from the city and countys own embedded board members

  11. James Wilson

    First off Jeff, with all due respect I have paid Charter fees for years upon years. 2nd elected officials do not set the fees at Charter, have you ever read your very own ByLaws of URTV? (The ones Pat and the board changed without a vote of the membership as required by NC law since URTV is a membership organization?) Have you read the non profit articles incorporation and then looked up all the governing laws pertaining to articles? Until you do that Jeff and then look at all the evidence you really are talking about something you are very uneducated on and being another Garlinghouse sock puppet who has zero idea what they are talking about. Your just let the rest which is saying what you are told to say!

    Jeff if you do indeed subscribe to America why are you flagrantly allowing the laws and agreements of America to be broken, ignored and trampled on by Pat Garlinghouse, her yes mam board, a sex offender and two of the biggest pathological lairs to ever hit the planet, Dale Joyner and Lisa Landis?

    Oh and Jeff if your such an advocate of free speech how come you allowed the censurship of Davyne Dial, Richard Bernier, Dr. Blackwell, Peter Brenzy and others to happen for simply voicing a dissenting option and exercising their right to free speech? You did allow it to happen because it is a membership organization!

    How come you are supportive of an organization whom will not provide the information they are required to provide to any citizen of Buncombe county any time they ask for it?

    Since you think you pay for the majority of your production how about telling the city and county to stop giving PEG money to URTV?

    As in membership being the key to help URTV. Well you have gone from 600 members to 100 since Garlinghouse became the ED. The loss of 500 members ought to indicate to you that there is something terribly wrong at URTV it also tells others to stay the hell away!

    If you support the actions above and all the other violations of law then are you not being hypocritical what you just told us you stand for?

    Pardon me Jeff but I think you literally destroyed and proved your own argument in this thread wrong like you did on a previous post. So how about not subscribing and practicing Garlinghouse hypocrisy any more?

    Have a nice day!

  12. jeff turner

    i was responding out of courtesy,however it seems that most of the folks who voice their opinion cannot do so without calling people names…..”sock puppet”,,,you too sir just lost your credibilty by doing so….

    i was learning about this because all of the charges thrown around,,,

    its time for the board to speak up.
    this is the last imput on this topic i will render ,it appears the charges and accusations are baseless and un-warranted……unless proven by fact..
    i also pay charter for services,so my opinion counts as well…
    if im faulty in my assessment,,,the powers that be, will correct them

  13. Jeff,
    You came on an internationally transmitted radio show and called several people there very vile names, including me.. (you an elected official in this community)…..Now who has lost credibility?

  14. jeff writes: “it appears the charges and accusations are baseless and un-warranted……unless proven by fact..”

    But, jeff, those charges HAVE been proven by the facts, evidence and the record. And well documented. I’m just wondering where you were during all of this. Did you attend the member meeting that was never called to order? I was. It’s on video if you’re interested.

    For someone who admits to knowing nothing and being behind the curve, you do seem rather cavalier in dispensing condemnation.

  15. James Wilson

    Jeff please don’t get mad because you defeated your own argument within your very own comment and I stick to the fact that if you are unwilling to look at all the evidence, and there is tons of it that has been given to you which you want to continually ignore and dismiss as conjecture, you are indeed just another sock puppet. Like it or not! I am sorry you find the truth to be hurtful to your biased cause.

    If you want fact look at all the threads on the Mountain X pertaining to this where you find documentation after documentation of wrong doing. I may be wrong but I even think the Mounatin X has an archive where you can view everything they have.

    Yes! lets have the board speak up along with Garlinghouse being seen on television actually telling the truth for a change on how she has mismanaged URTV, supressed freedom of peech and continually violated NC meeting laws and non profit laws in regards to membership organizations.

    The question is can you actually get that board to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help them god? I seriously doubt it.

    Have a nice day and start looking at ALL OF THE EVIDENCE OBJECTIVELY rather then only cherry picking what you want to hear and see!

  16. James Wilson

    Jeff I really don’t understand why, an elected official in this community, has a biased eye and bluntly refuses to look at all of the evidence that has been given to you. In my opinion, this is an abuse of your office as you are suppose to be representative of the entire public. Perhaps you should consider removing yourself from the equation and resign your elected position since you are no longer capable of being an objective and unbiased representative of the public which is what you were elected to do.

  17. thats slander,,ive done no….radio shows,

    It was not you who came on the chat room section of Don Yelton’s radio show at (, back in July and called me and other folks VERY vile names???? Are you like Glo-lady now, and people are using your name???

  18. jeff turner

    i called his “television” show many times over the last few years….and yes i have been frauded before,its public record from 1991,why ,i dont a person of modest means…dons show receives a certain number of crank prank calls..he does however receive many many calls from area residents of whom rely solely on his news reports of the week,and other updates..his show…citizen speaks is a great show and worthy of continued viewing,,,
    oh what was the name of your show davyne…let me see,,i may be wrong but you didnt produce a show did you…but you made great cookies..

  19. James Wilson

    Lets see if I have it right Jeff. You get mad when someone calls you a sock puppet but it is OK for you to call other people names? Hmmm, not only do you abuse your public office for personal gain and favors for URTV management but your practice hypocrisy as well!

    Thank you for sheding some light on the situation and enlightening us!

    No that you have made that clear to us there is even more reasons to resign your elected office.


  20. jeff turner

    davyne did you mean..vile from dictionary .com
    1.wretchedly bad 2.highly offensive 3.replusive and disgusting 4.morally debased 5.foul 6.poor 7.mean or low condition 8.menial…as in nothing is so vile as intellectual dishonesty…

    or,davyne did you mean vile from
    1.morally dispicable or abhorrent 2.of little worth or account 3.tending to degrade 4.disgustingly or utterly bad….as in a vile temper….

    which of these do you accuse me of saying that you are davyne….if you had to pick one of the vile names listed,,,which shoe would fit,,,,
    hypothetically of course
    we know you arent any of these davyne,
    your information must be incorrect,
    i did call dons show when you were on it one night,i ask you a certain question on air..
    the very next day at the meeting,,i ask you the same question as the night before,receiving a totally different answer,,it was then that i as a member decided my vote,on your two different answers…as a member,i felt you were a liability to the board,and i felt your removal was warranted,i stand by my objective view…and my vote,i believe that the overwhelming majority voted likewise,,
    im sorry if this hurts or upsets you,but we were called on to decide..,the lack of evidence you supplied at the meeting in your defense of the matter,i felt was weak..and inconclusive..
    i do appreciate your zeal for proper board protocol,
    these are jeff turners words,and my opinion only,and in no way represent the thoughts of anyone else..121 old charlott hwy asheville nc

  21. jeff turner

    james,good evening, you seem to have all the answers,ill vote for you when you run..i hope you win the blogger of the year award,,what kind of dirty lil tricks do you have up your sleeves,i know your gonna get the win…how will you balloons and a big room full of nobody….
    maggie lauterer once told me i was one of the most articulate persons she’d ever met,,so i may just beat you out for the blogapoluzzathingamajigger award..did i say that properly,or was i unclear as to my intent,,,makes no real difference on here ,am i correct this is just good ole’ fashioned mountain-folk entertainment,,,ill bet people are reading this and thinking boy!,that guy is articulate,not to bad for a 7 th generation civilized cherokee,yes sir im americanized pasterized over flowing with flavor big chunk of ham,,,,whoooooo,i just know im gonna win,,well james later on ,good luck in those ink-pin wars..oh i mean keyboard kalamities…..yes some more bad jokes,ill never win the blogamywhatsyadoodle thing

  22. Jeff,
    Surely you didn’t think I was attempting to convince you or anyone else to change their mind at that improperly conducted fiasco? I had no such illusions of that possibility. That event was meant to intimidate and humiliate me…nothing more.

    Jerry Young (asst pastor at Trinity Baptist Church stood outside that afternoon and told any supporter of mine who showed up that there was no meeting….Jonathon was telling folks that I was suing URTV. All sorts of wild accusations, were being bandied about and still are. Fortunately now, the City is looking into the improper dismissal, along with all the other “issues” at URTV.

    But, it’s not like URTV’s Board was a high falutin’ Board like Mission Hospital, UNCA, or some other well thought of entity, that is a feather in ones cap to be on, so it’s really not that big a deal to me. I knew from my first meeting when it became apparent I was not going to be a rubber stamping “***toady”
    that it was only a matter of time before I’d be gone. And it would be done by hook or by crook.

    I was able to film the fiasco. Here are the links:

    Kangaroo Court / inquisition part 1:

    Kangaroo Court / Inquisition part 11:

    ***toady: toad·y (t?’d?)
    n. pl. toad·ies
    A person who flatters or defers to others for self-serving reasons; a sycophant.
    tr. & intr.v. toad·ied, toad·y·ing, toad·ies
    To be a toady to or behave like a toady. See Synonyms at fawn1.

    [From toad.]

    Word History: The earliest recorded sense (around 1690) of toady is “a little or young toad,” but this has nothing to do with the modern usage of the word. The modern sense has rather to do with the practice of certain quacks or charlatans who claimed that they could draw out poisons. Toads were thought to be poisonous, so these charlatans would have an attendant eat or pretend to eat a toad and then claim to extract the poison from the attendant. Since eating a toad is an unpleasant job, these attendants came to epitomize the type of person who would do anything for a superior, and toadeater (first recorded 1629) became the name for a flattering, fawning parasite. Toadeater and the verb derived from it, toadeat, influenced the sense of the noun and verb toad and the noun toady, so that both nouns could mean “sycophant” and the verb toady could mean “to act like a toady to someone.”

  23. R.Bernier opinions

    Tell you what, I have my own eqpt & since you are very outspoken I want to invite you to do a taped show with me & we can expand on your thoughts
    as I will share mine.

    This would be far more productive then this stuff.

    Just let me know

    BTW- “allegations you and others so blantantly throw around” – Your remarks here Jeff falls far from the facts, I have stood on the duties as I have read them as a Board Member of URTV & with that I have stood up for what is right based on principles of the duties.

    I have been very clear Jeff & feel that no more threads should be used upon yourself, I will however be glad to film a show with you.

  24. James Wilson

    “the lack of evidence you supplied at the meeting in your defense of the matter”

    Now wait a minute Jeff..what about the zero evidence that Dale Joyner produced for her trumped up charges? The trumped up charges with non existent evidence? Opps I guess you forgot to mention that didn’t you?

    Now pardon me Jeff but lets go back to your earlier statements regarding being and American and what you and it stands for…LMAO…because once again you just crucified yourself, no one but you Jeff, and I am dying of laughter over here!!!!

    In America Jeff one is innocent until proven guilty by the preponderance of evidence and if there is any reasonable doubt the individual is innocent of all charges and accusations.

    Ummm…Jeff I hate to tell you this but you voted to remove the poor lady from the board without any evidence provided by the accuser, Dale Joyner, and additionally, the accuser did not even give her evidence to Davyne so she could mount a credible defense which is also required!

    Jeff your an absolute riot and thank you for providing me with some hysterical entertainment threw your own words! You have proven you are biased and indeed worthy of wearing the name “sock puppet”. You have also proven you are a very biased individual have demonstrated you are incapable of making sound and reasonable judgments on your own.

    You can keep ignoring me and the facts all you want but other individuals are reading and waking up to your demented ways which is all the more reason for you to be removed from office, after all your just proving you do not have the public’s interest at heart.

    Have a nice night :-)

  25. jeff turner

    i was at that meeting of my own accordian,,i still dont know mr young,i was there early,,,noone ever approached me or told me anything or tried to sway my opinion,i listened to you with fairness even though i had been poked and proded earlier that day at the veterans hospital,thats why i only ask you the same question twice,,the night before,then at the member meeting..
    it seems i remember some folks were more than a lil putout from the whole experience..i may have read that wrong,but i dont believe so…
    i personally felt that maybe you didnt explore all the possibilities of working things out with the board in a more professional manner,

    hey cool “toad and the wet sprockets”
    just played….when will we fall down,,,thats a great tune…

  26. jeff turner

    are you the same james wilson i went to church with as a child …who was always interupting the preacher and getting in trouble

  27. James Wilson

    I’m not after a blogging award or anything like that Jeff. I want to to look at the evidence objectively and unbiasedly for a change. You know the evidence you say does not exist but does unlike the non existent evidence you relied on from Dale Joyner to remove Davyne.

    Jeff, you are the one who brought all this up and its no ones fault except your that your own words and statements were your undoing, well maybe with a little help from Garlinghouse, Jerry and Ralph telling you what to say. Run along now and get some more direction from your handlers, ok?

  28. this is a short urtv pop quiz .
    1-who was the first paying member of urtv ?
    2-who was paying member #2 ?
    3-who was the largest financial contributor last year ?
    4-who was the first producer to start doing live shows for urtv ?
    5-who was the first member elected board member at urtv ?
    6-why do none of these people feel welcome at urtv now ?
    7-why have most of the urtv members left ?
    8-is there someone who just does not play well with others ?

    hint– the answer to three of these questions is pat garlinghouse.
    do you need another hint ??
    Atv… john blackwell..

  29. jeff turner

    james ,,you need to update your information it seems to be three years outdated,,it makes you look foolish…for your info update please include that three years ago wanda green took over the checkbook of bcswcd,

    our department no longer acts as guardian of swcd account…the title “treasurer” is an empty title at this point,

    i for one voted against this 4-1…i thought that treasurer of the office should maintain the checkbook..i still do,i thought it was wrong to give up the office account,the bcsw had maintained for some thirty years,,,

    i also felt like it was some kind of dirty backroom politics,a way where the county could utilize our funds to buffer there own account..there are more than just a few problems in my mind with what they did…
    anyway i lost on that now your info is updated somewhat…

    now if you wouldnt mind ,,cease and desist your slanderous vicious personal attacks,
    i dont know you,
    and i certainly dont owe you my time in this forum….

  30. James Wilson

    Jeff your organization is still required to provide that information when it is requested of them. Since Pat and Ralph gave you this answer I suggest you inform them that it might be in their best interest to do a little reading in regards to their non profit regulations and you should also since you continually practice a blatant disregard of them and it makes you look foolish and ignorant.

    Once again Jeff you have this amazing ability of hiding behind untruthful and non factual information and defeat your own arguments by your own actions. You have only yourself to blame, you did this to yourself and quite frankly you should not be getting angry at others for something you did to yourself. I just pointed it out.

    Jeff you still did not answer in regards to your decision of vote a member off the board without due process or any evidence what so ever. After all if your so high on this Americanism agenda of yours should you not be practicing what you preach? What I have seen is a shallow man who likes to preach down to others from a pulpit but when it comes time for you to practice what you have preached, you are no where to be seen! In essence you wear the suit of a professional hypocrite which is all the more reason why you should resign from any public positions you hold.

    You came under attack because you attacked people for speaking the truth. Truth that is backed up by evidence, unlike the Ludicrous URTV white wash job that has zero substance to back up its claims. Lets also remember Jeff that you have continually attacked others without any cause to do so, but all of a sudden when your credibility is questioned, and you are proven wrong you go to great lengths to play the victim card…and cry. No one has committed slander against you Jeff…I have merely used your very own hypocritical words to point out your untruthfulness and biased opinion which once again is why you should not hold a public office.

  31. jeff turner

    objection your honor,james is badgering the witness…..objection sustained…mr wilson,i would remind you that mr turner is not on trial…
    …mr turner has already stated for the record that he has had no contact with the persons in question…
    now…. either change your line of questioning ,or ill find you in contempt,and bar you from further proceedings.

    have i made myself perfectly clear ,this kangaroo court is in recess

  32. James Wilson

    “your arguments are contrite and is this thread……”

    They were not my arguments Jeff…they were your arguments and statements which have been proven to be nonsense and useless fallacies so your objection is overruled as the line of questioning demonstrates character and credibility which you yourself, and no one else but you, have proven you have niether of…lol!

    Additionally your previous actions and lack of factual information granted me permission to treat the witness, in this case you, as hostile.
    After all Jeff you are the one who has tried to defame the characters of Dial, Blackwell and Bernier.

    Jeff, you really should not be getting mad because they were your own actions and contradictory statements that were your undoing. Now do us all a favor and resign from public office as you have also proven you are in capable of making sound and unbiased decisions. If Pat paying you for political favors?

  33. talk about a “kangaroo court”..
    did you see what was going on when they got rid of davyne dial,or richard??
    what about the video of when jerry whats his name told the urtv board,what a “kangaroo court”they were..
    some one help me out here,with a link to that video…
    this court room thing,sounds like a garlinghouse play,to me.. that is something you just learn to know when you see one..
    been a lot of them go down here lately…
    so when we put our name on this ,don’t you think you should put
    jeff garlinghouse?
    tell the truth now,jeff.. did you come up with all this stuff,or did you have help from mama..
    come on now.tell the truth..
    just for the sake of knowing that it is the truth,and that we are all clean before god..
    if we are going to put our real names on this stuff,we should not hide behind some one Else’s name,but it will be up to you jeff,to tell the truth,because if someone is using you to put their words here,the truth is not in them…
    well that is just what it looks like to me..
    maybe jeff will get back to us with a yes ,or no,but some how i doubt it..
    this is an un-solicited letter,and i can read your thoughts from 50 miles away..
    Atv… john blackwell.. .. . .. …

  34. “your arguments are contrite and is this thread”…….. Jeff Turner

    Umm, might wanna look up “contrite.” He doesn’t come off as being sorry for his arguments…he comes off as showing your statements as being without merit.

    If you don’t want to be badgered publicly, perhaps you might approach the subject with a bit less self serving bias.

    Please refrain from throwing out you usual don’t pick on me, I’m a “disabled veteran” card. Instead why not tell us how you became disabled…from an old war wound? Or is you disability even a result of “peacetime” Navy service???????

    Many of us here have a veteran cards to play but refrain from doing so out of respect.

  35. James Wilson

    That’s quite OK Davyne. Jeff(or maybe Pat, Jerry or Ralph speaking threw Jeff’s name)just wants to have a little temper tantrum because every single word that has been posted threw his name holds no weight or merit and are absolute fallacies. They are angry because their little white wash job or sweeping the dirt under the rug action no longer works in regards to fooling the citizens of Western North Carolina.

  36. jeff turner

    actually dayvne ,the dd214 reads i was injured during time of national emergency..iranian hostage crisis…while on duty,on board uss eisenhower,,,while i was striking for ams3,my normal assignment was structural mechanic on assigned a-7e corsair,however my battlestation was aft radio-phone talker,,to report battle conditions directly to the bridge,
    i was in-place directly behind the azroc missile pod launcher,,the wall glowed bright red,as it was deflecting the rockets red glare,i was fortunate to be accepted as ojt…i served at 6-7 different bases,on the east coast,besides my shipboard time, …all i remember about my injuries is i woke up hurt in sickbay..the next day i was flown off board to mayport naval station fla….im no hero..just an a american

    im tired now dayvne,,
    bad cancer pain this have a good one,

  37. Oh I see, Jeff. You make a statement that infers I was spreading lies about you, then when I substantiate my original statement with facts and witnesses, you suddenly become to ill to carry on.

    Is there any card you won’t play when cornered with your B.S.?????

  38. jeff turner

    you cant actually swear that your talking to jeff,just someone you think is jeff..maybe im relly preople,a ghostwriter in mr turners employ,,its pretty shallow of you to believe mr turner would even participate in this conversation..i infected mr turners computer the day he bought it ,it has no viral protection ,and with mr turners open door policy,many people speak for him,,
    its is our understanding richard is still a member so,maybe he just feels sorry for you ,otherwise he stays away of his own accord…this is our understanding of the matter,,,
    it really is two or three persons griping,out of a county full of users,,the preachers keep preaching,musicians still a pickin,information shows informing…,
    and john ,,he left because he got a great job over in town,,,us girls have got to stick together but girl your alone in this one,you had your jury of member peers,you lost get over it,your friend relly preople

  39. James Wilson

    “you had your jury of member peers,you lost get over it”

    and the evidence is where Jeff? Everybody is still waiting on it, yep we are still waiting for Ms Motor Mouth Dale Joyner who surried out of the building and never produced one single item of evidence.

    Jeff I have now decided your not an American, don’t you think oppressive communist might be more in line in regards to your beliefs?

    and by the way Jeff which personality are you using now, or is this a new one…lol

  40. James Wilson

    “Yet another pathetically lame-o “impostor” excuse by a sock puppet.”

    Hmmm..GloLady Syndrome…LMAO!

  41. jeff turner

    dear dayvne..i told you my name is …relly preople,hust call me rell…
    its clear that the events of late in your life,have clearly brought your sanity into question/.its also clear that your employment of defensive mechanisms is to avoid the pain of losing an argument,,i believe you are employing at least 15 of the twelve defensive excuses..
    1. denial,2. projection,3. rationalization,4.victimization,,
    look sweety between us girls you should just get away…go shopping,the fresh air will do you good,,go have some tea with the anarchy’ll feel much better,ive got to run back to new york take care uh!,and remember me this time darling name is RELLY PREOPLE ,a friend of mr turners

  42. James Wilson

    Jeff the only person whom has continually lost the argument is you. Please take off your rose colored shades that Pat gave you to wear and face reality. You defeated yourself by continually contradicting yourself in this very thread.

    We merely pointed your contradictions and nonfactual information out. By doing that you made yourself out to appear childish, non creditable, non trustworthy and unworthy of holding any public office or position what so ever. When you got desperate you tried using your veteran status to your advantage and when that failed to work you stooped to the lowest form of life know to man by trying to use a disease as an excuse and when that did not work you adopted GloLady syndrome and claimed your words were not yours! Do you suffer from Dravett’s syndrome as well and need to have your meds adjusted as well?

    It was a privilege watching you self destruct just as you have always done on every thread in the past. Maybe its just a coincidence but that seems to happen to everyone on your side of the fence. Perhaps its because there comes a time when lying, just like you continually practice, eventually catches up to you and defeats your own prejudicial, non objective and biased argument. Perhaps we should just say its a character flaw of your group.


  43. “1. denial,2. projection,3. rationalization,4.victimization,,
    look sweety between us girls you should just get away Jeff Turner”

    Now what psych major would be telling you what defense mechanisms are?

    I’m not going anywhere Jeff, I’m sticking this one out….can’t help it, it’s my nature.

  44. Sundance

    I see the Mountain X is just letting non members post what ever they want and members like Dial are moderated to death while anonymous folks like Jeff Turner get posted almost immediately. Ummmm can you say biased and bending under political pressure from the likes of Wally Bowen and company? How many more members that have supported you without question are you going to run off mountain X? Its the reason I and others have switched to other forums rather then here!

  45. Tracy Trent

    After careful examination of all of theses comments,as an outsider looking in, it would appear that Mr.Turner is indeed a MAVERICK,yet he appears through his comments to have more sense than any of you. Mr. Blackwell you also are being observed by many eyes ,o’ unexalted one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. Attorney giving you the harsh truth that transparency is your only option?

    Deluding yourself that Turner is the maverick epitome of common sense as some sort of desperate smoke screen?

    Eyes are on a lot of folk, and many more eyes will be very soon.

    What are you smoking? I want some.

  47. hello,Tracy Trent
    ,or pat garlinghouse,or whoever..
    you called?? “PRIMA FACIE” !!!!!!!!!!!!
    “have a good look.. not much to see here.”.*
    i went to the store,and got an apple tree today..
    i have been recording a lot of very good music..
    well,i plan to have a tea party back at urtv very soon..i have maybe 250 hours of music video in the can,ready to go.
    may god bless everyone at urtv..
    Atv… john blackwell.. .. . .. …


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